No Renegade Class at WFC9

[Postman]

Looks like there will be no Renegade class at WFC9 this year. Bob K. pointed this out on another board.

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[Redsnk95]

Why oh why...missing a few classes this year.

Troy

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

No Purestreet or FactoryStock either...WFC's been going down hill since 2002..I think it's ran it's course....NMRA needs to move into St louis Now.

[Postman]

I personal hate to see this happen, but car counts were down and an Outlaw DR class will be a thrill to watch.

[zoop]

I am not surprise after finding out someone will not return to EFI Renegade after 7 years. Oh Well!!

I agree with Post, Outlaw Drag Radial is going to be BAD A$$.

[Pakman]

I think the Joliet NMRA race will be the new must go to race now. I wont be going to the WFC this year either but only because of my busy month. How can you drop Renegade of all classes? The way I see it is last year the date of the race was bad and the payout wasn't worth it.
I think ideally the very best time to have the WFC would be after NMRA's Bowling Green and FFW's last midwest race.

[SwillRacer]

I thought they were going to combine Hot Street and Renegade? Oh well. I'm surprised they didn't ax Real Street who's turnouts were as pathetic, if not worse than Renegade and the others that got killed.

[REN#4106]

Does anyone think that this may be the beginning of the end for the class that we here have all grown to love???????

[Postman]

I don't know if it's the begining of the end but it wouldn't shock me. I bet if they were ot give the 302-310ci motor a weight break in DR you would see alot of guys jump over. Think about it, they already give a weight break for the YSI and no intercooler. No more 8 rib belt, no more hyd 550 lift cam that flows on the big end , no more c-4 thats on the edge. Althought I must say I got 8 out of 10 races plus tons of T&T out of mine. No more 250degree inlet temps. Plus your car would be able to run in the low 8's meaning it would be able to compete in PRO-Extreem street,NMRA DR, and FFW Renegade.

Long story short....I hope it's around for a long time it the only thing I've known for 5 years but it wouldn't shock me if it wasn't.

[REN#4106]

I don't know if it's the begining of the end but it wouldn't shock me. I bet if they were ot give the 302-310ci motor a weight break in DR you would see alot of guys jump over. Think about it, they already give a weight break for the YSI and no intercooler. No more 8 rib belt, no more hyd 550 lift cam that flows on the big end , no more c-4 thats on the edge. Althought I must say I got 8 out of 10 races plus tons of T&T out of mine. No more 250degree inlet temps. Plus your car would be able to run in the low 8's meaning it would be able to compete in PRO-Extreem street,NMRA DR, and FFW Renegade.

Long story short....I hope it's around for a long time it the only thing I've known for 5 years but it wouldn't shock me if it wasn't.


Yes Mike but you also have to take into consideration of the sub 8.50 25.5 thing that you didn't mention.......some guys might not want to spend the $8-10k for the chassis up grade.......but I see what your saying....

[SwillRacer]

I personally don't care for the whole drag radial concept. I realize I'm probably in the minority. I mean, those tires can only make you go SLOWER. Who wants wants to do that?

I don't mean to offend any DR guys, but thats how I feel about it. IF EFI/R was dropped tomorrow and IF I still had my two partners w/me, I'd love to take a crack at NMCA Xtreme Street simply for the reasons Postman listed above. Plus, they get some really good car counts in that class.

[swilldup]

I personally don't care for the whole drag radial concept. I realize I'm probably in the minority. I mean, those tires can only make you go SLOWER. Who wants wants to do that?

I don't mean to offend any DR guys, but thats how I feel about it. IF EFI/R was dropped tomorrow and IF I still had my two partners w/me, I'd love to take a crack at NMCA Xtreme Street simply for the reasons Postman listed above. Plus, they get some really good car counts in that class.
i totaly agree......i think that would be the coolest class on the planet....getting to beat up on gm products....

[Jeffro]

I know the guys like me, who have not raced in NMRA in a few years, opinions aren't heard as well as others, but my personal opinion is the reason the car counts are low in both NMRA and WFC is because the masterminds(ha,ha) of the rules change the rules every year. They don't do that in NHRA! I remember in 2001 and 2002 when I raced some REN races there were over 20 cars at every race and the class was tight competition and fun! As I have watched the counts drop big time I feel it is because they change the rules too damn often. Last two years even the few leaders of the class that go were very competively close which is the way it should be, and here goes NMRA changing rules again. This is why the same guys are at every race and always the leaders- no new comers cause it cost a ton to change your combo every year or even build one and test before another set of rules are made for the next year. They should have left it alone a few years ago and they would have huge turn outs in REN cause everyone would have time to test there stuff, leave it the same, and carry on the next season from what they learned the previous season. That is how you keep big car counts! I am not trying to sound like a wuss, as everyone wants to go faster I agree but do it with testing on the same combo with the SAME RULES! THink about it REN was supposed to be on the edge race cars that you could actually race on street( not that most would) and now it is what Outlaw used to be! Therefore the average guy, who doesn'thave big sponsors and shops building there engines, and hiring guys to tune there cars would allow more people to want to be involved-again BIGGER CAR COUNTS! Sorry guys for ramblin', and I am sure someone will disagree but the average little guy should have an opinion that is considered! Hell they maay as well have just a top 5 not 10 cause that's is about all the amount of people in REN anymore that run in the top! Jeff Wright REN4052

[Postman]

I know the guys like me, who have not raced in NMRA in a few years, opinions aren't heard as well as others, but my personal opinion is the reason the car counts are low in both NMRA and WFC is because the masterminds(ha,ha) of the rules change the rules every year. They don't do that in NHRA! I remember in 2001 and 2002 when I raced some REN races there were over 20 cars at every race and the class was tight competition and fun! As I have watched the counts drop big time I feel it is because they change the rules too damn often. Last two years even the few leaders of the class that go were very competively close which is the way it should be, and here goes NMRA changing rules again. This is why the same guys are at every race and always the leaders- no new comers cause it cost a ton to change your combo every year or even build one and test before another set of rules are made for the next year. They should have left it alone a few years ago and they would have huge turn outs in REN cause everyone would have time to test there stuff, leave it the same, and carry on the next season from what they learned the previous season. That is how you keep big car counts! I am not trying to sound like a wuss, as everyone wants to go faster I agree but do it with testing on the same combo with the SAME RULES! THink about it REN was supposed to be on the edge race cars that you could actually race on street( not that most would) and now it is what Outlaw used to be! Therefore the average guy, who doesn'thave big sponsors and shops building there engines, and hiring guys to tune there cars would allow more people to want to be involved-again BIGGER CAR COUNTS! Sorry guys for ramblin', and I am sure someone will disagree but the average little guy should have an opinion that is considered! Hell they maay as well have just a top 5 not 10 cause that's is about all the amount of people in REN anymore that run in the top! Jeff Wright REN4052

Jeff I think your a little off on the changing rules being the reason car counts are down a little. Since 2000 when I made my first Renegade pass all I've added is , F.A.S.T., Belt drive, Elec. water pump,YSI and Acufab TB 75R. Sure I've had to add bigger injs and lord knows they didn't have a MSD dig7 in 2000.

What I really believe is killing the car counts is the fact that a NMRA Renegade car can only be competitive in NMRA Rengade. You can not take the car and compete in any other racing body and be a contender with out major changes. Come on what other class in the WORLD pumps 30lb of boost into a car with no intercooler. What other class in the world sayes here's enough parts to make 900hp to the wheels but you have to run it through a C-4. If anything the rules are a little out of wack because you have to have 2 trannys, 2 blowers , 2 torq converts, 2 sets of heads and I hear some guys are building spare motors because the motors now have to be leaned on so much to run at the top.

The Swillers are right. Pro is looking better and better.

[Jeffro]

Mike, hey there! By no means am I wanting to argue or debate with anyone, I am not upset with the guys in the class, hell hats off to all of your success, but to say I have only made a few changes since 2001 is way off. Once the YSI was allowed all the blower guys picked up a ton. MSD another helper, although not a rule change. FAST allowed another help. On and on. All these little changes every year add up. When we where going 9.20's in 2002 there wasn't a need for back up trannys and engines. I guess your telling me only a few minor changes made the class go from 9.20's to 8.60's. That is the reason why there is a need for all the back up stuff and that is the reason all the average guys or newcomers don't build for this class! In 2002 I had over 70 passes on my car, raced at only three events, qualified in top 4 every time and never broke a trans, head gasket and only once pinched a ring land on a piston and that was on 300 hp of n2o. Once they added all the little changes year after year now guys are going 8.60's and we wonder why things break! My point is if they left the rules alone more guys could participate in this class, not break as often, have fun, and more newcomers would show up. What other reason does NMRA have for a class under on set of rules a few years ago with 20-30 car counts and now 8-10. Sorry, no thing with you at all, you have always been very friendly to me and I appreciate but I just couldn't resist throwing in my two cents when I saw people wondering why class counts are down in REN! Take care, Jeff

[SwillRacer]

Jeff,

I think the reason for all the little changes over the years is based on two factors: racers always want to go faster and aftermarket companies want to make the products that they can sell to the racers who want to go faster. New technology will always leave the old stuff in the dust. The basic rule structure hasn't changed since the beginning, it's just a complilation of small changes over the years, in the name of technological progress, that have made this class go from low 10's to mid 8's. It's just a fact of heads-up racing that we've all come to accept.

I've seen you here and on NMRA's boards posting a fair amount about your dismay with the 2006 rules and frankly, I don't really understand it. Your combo got a weight break. You should be competitive with those blower guys now. Or are you just worried about someone with a 400ci nitrous car showing up and kicking everyone's a$$es? I have a sneaking suspician that we'll be seeing Prycuckis come out with a 400ci motor. I haven't heard a peep out of Rich Groh(who is running REN this season) about the rules, last I heard, he was still planning on running a small motor at 2700lbs. I'm not raggin ya, or trying to start an arguement, but I just don't get it...

ps. If they want more cars in REN, the should have allowed turbos. Non-intercooled.

[Jeffro]

Hey Swillers, what's up? I appreciate your kindness in your comment and I don't take it offensive but I probaly should have kept my thoughts to myself as maybe it came out wrong, besides the guys like me who haven't raced in a while should probaly keep there opinions to themselves to they can let there car do the talking at track. On another note I see what your saying about technology and totally understand it but that has nothing to do with rules and the people who make the rules for each class. What your saying about technology should apply to the parts that apply to the current rules at the time. New technology is great, making new rules to allow different parts is another story. Sure we all want to go faster, but if that was the case in your response then they could make rules to allow all sorts of parts in REN that are far from REN rules. Look at Real Street and Pure Street the technology and rules changes let those guys go way faster than the classes intended and they realize it know(low car counts and same guys only showing up over last few years"same as REN), and they dicided to correct it to keep the class in perspective. You ask what my cry is? Well, I am sorry to stir things up, do not mean too! I am just frustrated personally cause I have had some trials in life, wrecked car in 2003, got married and took some time away, meanwhile invested a crap load of money in new combo and finally ready for 2006(hell I was done with car in Oct. way before rules came out, another bullcrap issue with NMRA"rules in Dec.), anyway and then they make a major change to N2o guys. Yeah it's great to be able to drop weight but when your car is done it's not that easy to drop weight to 2900 lbs. when I weighed 3240 in 2002. And I am not afraid of a 400 ci motor as you said as I do this for fun, but I will admit and that is my bitch, if I could start all over sure I would build a 400 ci at 3200 lbs, who wouldn't. I don't really mind the rule but I just thought they would add weight to the new combo not let them come in at the n2o's previous weight and drop weight on 360 and smaller motors. Again sorry for the stir, hope this makes since, and no bitch with any of you guys, I am just a one man show that doesn't have a handful of people paying and building my combo!

[Postman]

Hey jeff,
Please don't feel your stiring the pot. It's nice to know whats on ever ones mind.

[SwillRacer]

Hey jeff,
Please don't feel your stiring the pot. It's nice to know whats on ever ones mind.

what he said....;)

[Morepower]

I have a sneaking suspician that we'll be seeing Prycuckis come out with a 400ci motor.


With 3 dry foggers :D

[Jeffro]

Mike and Swillers, thanks a lot I appreciate the comments more than you know! Hopefully this new combo I have will be competive enough to get out there this year and have some fun! I work hard for what I have and am proud of that, it is just frustrating at times-I am sure you all have felt the pain from time to time as well! I really respect what you guys have accomplished over the years as I realize what you have had to do to be so successful! Thanks again for the feedback, crying is over for me, time to get to the track.

[SwillRacer]

crying is over for me, time to get to the track.

Now that's what I'm f@cking talking about!!!!!!!!

Go out there and kick some f@cking a$$!!!!!

ps. I know two of us Swillers still have a little sweet spot in our hearts for the nitrous combo, even though VORTECH power is the only way to go for BIG & RELIABLE horsepower...I'll be pullin for ya Jeffro!!

[Jeffro]

Thanks, Swillers, appreciate that! Hope to see ya soon!

[afflicted1]

Nitrous = Blown up shit
Blowers = #1 Qualifier spots and a championship.
Hmmm....... I've got to side with the blower....