Final rules are out

[Ian Mullane]

Someone copy and paste them into a thread PLEASE!!! I cannot open the document on the NMRA board and their site is ssslllooowwww right now. Probably a little busy.

[Bob Cosby]

Ian...it is too long to post here, but I made an HTML of the rules: http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/fs.htm

[KenB]

Looks like most will be looking for another class to go to. They took some stuff back, like the aluminum flywheel and the battery location but added some stuff too. How about stock brakes?!

FACTORY STOCK
NMRA SERIES 2006 RULES
Final Version

Class Overview
Factory Stock is designed for naturally aspirated small block 1979 and newer Ford Fox Chassis bodied and Ford powered vehicles including 2005-2006 Mustangs. Factory Stock entries are limited to 302, and 4.6L modular engine types. Engines are permitted a maximum of 313 cubic inches for 5.0L, and 291 for 4.6L. Factory Stock class will be held at all NMRA events during 2006 season.

Qualifying Information, Ladder Type, & Tree
All Run, NHRA Sportsman Ladder, Pro .400 tree, Heads-Up.

Accepted Products Deadline: NMRA will accept requests from manufacturers to have new products considered for addition to 2006 accepted lists only up until January 1, 2006. After this date, NMRA will consider manufacturer requests for new products for the 2007 season.

Base Weights:
ENGINE POWER ADDER BASE CI BASE WEIGHT
5.0L HO None 311 3,200
4.6 2V None 289 2,900
4.6 3V None 289 3,400
4.6 4V None 289 3,400

Maximum cubic inches––313 ci.

AOD Transmissions may deduct 50 pounds
Deduct 250 lbs for Ford OEM Stock 5.0 HO E7 heads
2-valve combinations with ported heads add 100 pounds

Note: 15 lbs/cu in penalty applies for cubic inches over weight break limit.

Note: All weights are with driver & rounded down to the five pound increment. Ex: A calculated weight of 3228 would be required to weigh 3225 with driver at scales.

Class Rules, FACTORY STOCK
1: ENGINE
1.1 COOLING SYSTEM
RADIATOR: OEM production-style or aftermarket radiator is required and must be mounted in stock location. Stock core support is required. Radiator must be stock length and height or larger.
Water pump: O.E.M. or aftermarket direct bolt on water pumps permitted. Water pump must be crank driven by the factory type six rib serpentine belt. Electric water pumps prohibited.
COOLING FANS: Any permitted. Water injection is prohibited.
1.2 Engine
ENGINE: Engine limited to 302W (5.0) and 4.6L modular engine types. 302 Windsor type engines may be used in any 1979 and newer Fox based chassis. 4.6L engines restricted to any 1994 and newer Mustang body style. Engine swapping permitted during event.
1.2a) ENGINE DRIVE BELT SYSTEM: Factory style 6 rib drive belt system required. Minimum crankshaft pulley diameter – 4 3/8-inch.
1.3 Exhaust
EXHAUST: All entries allowed to use tubular headers. Adapter plates to bolt headers to cylinder head prohibited. Exhaust must be directed out of car body, away from driver and fuel tank. All exhaust gases released from engine must pass through entire exhaust system.
1.3a) HEADERS & COLLECTORS: All entries required to use either a) stock OEM exhaust manifolds, or b) aftermarket “shorty” style tubular headers, maximum tubing size 1.625-inches (1-5/8-inch). A “shorty” header is defined as an aftermarket header that connects to the exhaust system at the factory header connections.
1.3b) EXHAUST TUBING/SIZE: Maximum exhaust pipe diameter – 2.5-inch up to gas tank, 3-inch from gas tank rearward (tailpipe).
1.3c) TAILPIPE & EXHAUST RULES: Full exhaust system required. Tailpipes must be in and exit in the factory location. Tailpipes must follow factory design, must go up over rearend housing and exit at rear valance.
1.3d) MUFFLER REQUIREMENTS: Commercially available (generally available through retail locations) mufflers required. A maximum of two (2) mufflers is allowed. A maximum of one (1) inlet and one (1) outlet is permitted. Mufflers may have a maximum of 2.5-inch inlet & outlet.

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1.5 FUEL-DELIVERY SYSTEM
DELIVERY SYSTEM: Electric fuel pumps permitted. Pressure regulators, and any line size permitted. All fuel lines must originate and return to a single, non-segmented, fuel cell or OEM fuel tank. Fuel pump must shut off with a master electrical switch. Any method of artificially heating or cooling fuel prohibited (cool cans, ice, wet rags, Freon, etc.). A valve for removal of fuel (gasoline) during technical inspections is mandatory. Valve must be installed between carburetor/injection and regulator, and should be installed in such a manner that allows a cup to be placed to catch fuel removed from the line. Exit of valve should be capped or plugged in addition to being closed for added safety.
Aftermarket/fabricated fuel tank or cell permitted. Must be located in trunk area. If tank or fuel filler is inside trunk, a bulkhead of minimum .032” aluminum or .024” steel must be used between trunk and driver compartment, and tank must be vented to outside of car. When used, fuel cells must have a metal box protecting the part of the fuel cell that is outside the trunk floor. Non-metallic fuel cells or tanks must be grounded to frame. See NHRA General Regulations Section 1.5.
1.6 GASOLINE
GASOLINE: Gasoline as outlined here is the only acceptable fuel for use in this eliminator. The NMRA Racing Association reserves the right to check gasoline at any time during competition. Gasoline, as defined by the NHRA rulebook, is a mixture of hydrocarbons only. The average dielectric constant (D.C.) for the hydrocarbons that compromises gasoline is 2.025. This is defined as a reading of “0” on the fuel-check meter.
1.6a) SPEC FUEL: NMRA requires the use of one of the allowable NMRA spec fuels in this class. Mixing of fuels prohibited. Failure to pass fuel check is grounds for disallowance of the run during qualifying and disqualification from the event during eliminations. Fuel must pass color, fuel meter, specific gravity, chemical testing, and/or any other check as required by NMRA Technical Department.
1.9 NITROUS OXIDE
NITROUS OXIDE: Prohibited.
1.10 OIL SYSTEM
OILING SYSTEM: Wet sump oiling system required. Dry sump oiling systems prohibited. External oil pumps prohibited. Oil lines run outside engine block to feed oil galleries prohibited. Vacuum pump and/or evacuator system (header, or otherwise) prohibited. Stock OEM oil pan required for exact vehicle model year . Windage tray, crank scraper, etc. permitted.
1.12 SUPERCHARGER
SUPERCHARGERS: Prohibited.
1.15 BLOCK
Block: Any cast iron Ford type 302W permitted. Any cast iron or cast aluminum 4.6 based engine block permitted. Block must maintain Ford O.E.M. bore spacing, deck heights, and crankshaft spacing for engine type used. Deck spacers (extensions) prohibited. Main cap girdle permitted, but must only provide increased structural rigidity and may not incorporate oil control device, windage tray, or crank scraper.
1.16 ENGINE LOCATION/MOUNTS
Engine Location: Engine location may be altered from stock, however no part of engine or heads may contact firewall. Engine plates prohibited. Solid engine mounts permitted.
1.17 HEADS
GENERAL GUIDELINES:
302W Type Heads: Only commercially available cast iron cylinder heads permitted. Billet, one-off, custom and/or fabricated heads prohibited. Cylinder heads must be overhead valve single spark plug per cylinder design.
4.6 type Heads: Only commercially available cast aluminum or cast iron cylinder heads permitted. Billet, one-off, custom and/or fabricated heads prohibited. Cylinder head must be single spark plug per cylinder design.
1.17a) HEADS, PERMITTED: Only original manufacture, generally available heads, accepted by NMRA, permitted. External and internal modifications prohibited in port area. Spark plug placement and depth must remain stock. Billet, one-off, custom and/or fabricated heads prohibited.
1.17b) HEADS, MASS PRODUCED: Only mass-produced, commercially available, NMRA accepted, cast aluminum or cast iron Ford cylinder heads permitted. Low volume, one-off, cylinder heads prohibited.
1.17c) HEADS, BOLT PATTERN: Class is permitted standard bolt-pattern only for cylinder heads.
Maximum of 10 head fasteners per side in Ford O.E.M. location.
1.17d) HEADS, PORTING: Prohibited. (*Porting only permitted on 4.6L Ford OEM 2-Valve '96-'04 Cylinder Heads with 100 pound weight adder.) Runners and combustion chambers must retain OEM appearance. Final acceptance at the discretion of NMRA Technical Department.
1.17e) HEADS, WELDING/EPOXY: Prohibited.
1.17f) HEADS, VALVES: Maximum valve sizes for 302W heads is 1.850” Intake/ 1.550” Exhaust. Maximum valve sizes for 4.6L two valve heads are 1.850” Intake/ 1.452” Exhaust. Maximum valve sizes for 4.6L three-valve heads are 1.368" Intake and 1.514” exhaust. Maximum valve sizes for 4.6L four valve heads are 1.487” Intake/ 1.211” Exhaust. Valve stem size in guide area must be 11/32” for 302W heads, Valve stem size in guide area must be 0.274” for 4.6L heads. Undercut stems permitted. Aftermarket steel valve permitted, titanium/exotic valves prohibited. Bronze lined or replacement guides permitted.
1.17g) HEADS, MILLING: Permitted. See combustion chamber volume. Cylinder heads must maintain original production valve angles + or – 2 degrees.
1.17h) HEADS, PUSHROD SLEEVES: Prohibited.
1.17i) HEADS, COMBUSTION CHAMBER VOLUME: Minimum combustion chamber volume for 302W heads is 52.0 cc’s. Minimum combustion chamber volume for 4.6L 2-valve heads is 40.0 cc’s. Minimum combustion chamber volume for 4.6L 3-valve heads is tba cc. Minimum combustion chamber volume for 4.6L 4-valve heads is 42.0 cc’s. ** Minimum combustion chamber volume for 4.6L 4-valve heads will change to 49.0 cc for 2007 racing season with a possible adjustment in minimum weight for competitive balance purposes.
1.17j) HEADS, PORT PLATES/ADAPTER PLATES: Intake and/or exhaust port plates/adapter plates prohibited.
1.17k) VALVE JOB: Any valve job permitted.
Permitted Cylinder Head List, Parts Number: These are the only permitted cylinder heads and part numbers for competition in this category. If your cylinder head is not on this list, it is prohibited.
1) Stock Ford OEM 5.0 HO Cast Iron Cylinder Heads. (*Deduct 250#)
2) FRPP/SVO GT-40 Cast Iron Cylinder Heads
3) FRPP/SVO GT-40P Cast Iron Cylinder Heads
4) Stock Ford OEM 4.6 Cylinder Heads**
5) FRPP/SVO 4.6 2-valve**
Note: Stock factory OEM heads are those cylinder heads that are factory production line installed on production vehicles as recognized by NHRA.
**Porting permitted,

1.18 VALVETRAIN
1.18a) CAMSHAFT: Stock lobe 5.0 HO or 4.6L camshaft required. Specified duration, lift, and lobe separation required.
5.0 HO: Camshaft maximum lobe lift is .278”; Minimum lobe lift is .270. Maximum valve lift at the retainer not to exceed .480”.
Lobe duration is checked at the below specified lobe lifts.
Lift Maximum duration
.050” 211
.100” 179
.150” 148
.200” 115
Maximum lobe separation angle – 117 degrees
Minimum lobe separation angle – 115 degrees
4.6L 2-VALVE: Maximum valve lift is .510 intake, .545 exhaust (checked at retainer); Minimum lobe lift is TBA (To Be Announced). Maximum lobe duration TBA (To Be Announced).
4.6L 3-VALVE: Maximum valve lift is TBA intake, TBA exhaust (checked at retainer); Minimum lobe lift is TBA (To Be Announced). Maximum lobe duration TBA (To Be Announced). Contact NMRA tech if you intend to compete with a 3-valve.
4.6L 4-VALVE: Maximum valve lift is .395” intake, .395” exhaust (checked at retainer); Minimum lobe lift is TBA (To Be Announced). Maximum lobe duration TBA (To Be Announced).

For 5.0 HO applications, valve lift will be checked at retainer with pushrod & rocker as run, using a blocked up OEM Ford hydraulic roller lifter, at zero lash. Durations/Lobe Separations are checked with camshaft & hydraulic roller lifter in block. Duration/Lobe separation is measured at the crankshaft. Lobe lift is measured at the hydraulic roller lifter.

1.18b) LIFTERS: Functional, unmodified Ford OEM stock hydraulic roller lifters required.
Any modification to the clip, pushrod cup, piston, spring, or lifter body is not permitted. Hydraulic roller lifters may not be plugged or bottomed.
1.18c) LIFTER BORES: Bushed lifter bores permitted.
1.18d) VALVE LOCK: Steel valve locks required.
1.18e) RETAINERS: Steel retainers required.
1.18f) STUD & GUIDE PLATES: Stud and guide plate conversions permitted.
1.18g) CAMSHAFT DRIVE SYSTEM: Stock type camshaft drive system required.
1.18h) ROCKER ARMS: Stud or pedestal mount rocker arms accepted. Shaft rocker prohibited. Stud girdle is prohibited.
1.18i) REV KITS: Prohibited.
1.18j) PUSHRODS: Steel is only accepted material. Composite pushrods prohibited. 5/16 maximum outside diameter.
1.18k) SPRINGS: Single or dual steel valve springs required. Maximum valve spring pressure “on the seat” is 160 pounds for 5.0L combinations.

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1.19 CARBURETORS
CARBURETORS: Prohibited.
1.20 FUEL INJECTION
Fuel Injection: OEM Ford EEC-IV or EEC-V engine control computer system required. NMRA accepted “plug-in” chips and EEC computer “add-ons” permitted. Ford EEC-IV or Ford EEC-V Speed density permitted for all combinations. OEM engine control computer must be functional.
1.20a) THROTTLE BODY: Only mass produced, commercially available throttle bodies permitted. Single throttle body in stock location required. Maximum throttle body size is 2.755” (70mm) for 5.0 & 4.6 2V & 3V applications. 4.6 4V must use unmodified, OEM-supplied stock throttle body. EGR spacer is not required.
1.20b) MASS AIR SIZE & TYPE PERMITTED: Commercially available, complete, mass produced mass air sensors required on all combinations (sample tube and elements required), including speed density equipped. Mass air sensor is not required to function. Mass air sensor must be standard draw through design. Maximum size of mass air sensor – 3.150” (80mm).
1.20c) FUEL INJECTOR SIZES & TYPES: Any size/type fuel injector permitted. Maximum of 8 fuel injectors located in stock location.
1.20d) AIR CLEANER: Commercially available, mass produced, unmodified, automotive type air cleaner required. All incoming air must pass through air cleaner.
1.20e) EFI ADD-ONS:
If your add-on computer is not on this list, it is prohibited.
1)FRPP Extender & FRPP EPEC
2)Anderson Ford PMS
3)Autologic Plug-in EEC Chip
4)Superchips Plug-in EEC Chip
5)Hyperchip Plug-in EEC Chip
6)Diablo Plug-in EEC Chip
7)EEC Tuner
8)SCT Xcalibrator & XCAL2
9)Diablo Predator

1.21 INTAKE MANIFOLD
INTAKE MANIFOLD: Only NMRA accepted commercially available, mass-produced intake manifolds permitted. Any height spacer permitted between EFI upper and lower intakes only. All runners must be completely separated from each other runner. Spacer or gasket must not create a 'plenum', or any other means for air to pass between runners. 4.6L 4V combinations may remove secondary runner controls. 2V engines only may use aftermarket as-cast throttle-body to intake manifold plenums.
1.21a) PORTING: Prohibited.
1.21b) WELDING/EPOXY: Prohibited.
1.21c) PERMITTED INTAKE MANIFOLD LIST, PART NUMBERS:
If your intake manifold is not on this list, it is prohibited.
1)Stock OEM Mustang-specific 5.0 EFI Intake – Upper & Lower
2)Stock OEM Mustang-specific 4.6 2V Intake – Upper & Lower
3)Stock OEM Mustang-specific 4.6 3V Intake – Upper & Lower
4)Stock OEM Mustang-specific 4.6 4V Intake – Upper & Lower
5)Ford Explorer – Upper & Lower
6)SVT Cobra EFI – Upper & Lower, PN# M 9424 D51, M 9424 E51
7)SVO 4.6 2-Valve – Upper & Lower
8)Bullitt Ford O.E.M. 4.6L 2-valve intake
1.22 SOLENOIDS
SOLENOIDS: Prohibited.
1.23 TURBOCHARGERS
TURBOCHARGER: Prohibited.
1.24 AFTERCOOLER/INTERCOOLER
AFTERCOOLER/INTERCOOLER: Prohibited.
1.25 POWER ADDERS
POWER ADDERS: Prohibited.
Water injection is prohibited.
1.26 CRANKSHAFT
CRANKSHAFT: Stock or aftermarket steel crankshaft required. Stock 3.000” stroke, +/- .010”, mandatory for 302W applications. Stock 3.543” stroke, +/- .010”, mandatory for 4.6L applications. Minimum rod bearing shaft diameter is 2.000”. Modifications to crankshaft permitted.
Composite and/or multi-piece crankshafts prohibited.
1.27 CONNECTING RODS
CONNECTING RODS: Stock or aftermarket steel connecting rods required. Composite connecting rods prohibited. 302W connecting rods must be 5.090”, +/- .025”, center to center length. 4.6L connecting rods must be 5.933”, +/- .025”, center to center length. Connecting rods may be of any design. Connecting rods may be free floating or press fit.
1.28 HEAD GASKETS & QUENCH AREA
HEAD GASKETS & QUENCH AREA: Pistons may be below block, even with deck, or above block at top dead center. Any type single head gasket permitted.
1.29 PISTONS, PINS, RINGS
PISTONS, PINS, RINGS: Stock or aftermarket piston permitted. Piston must be flat top or dish design. The use of 3 rings is required. Gas porting of pistons prohibited (side or top). Wrist pins for 302W based applications must be a minimum of .912” diameter. Wrist pins for 4.6L applications must be a minimum of .866” diameter. Valve reliefs optional.
1.30 BOOST CONTROLLERS
BOOST CONTROLLERS: Prohibited.
1.31 WASTEGATE & PRESSURE REGULATOR
WASTEGATE & PRESSURE REGULATOR: Prohibited.
1.32 VISIBLE COATINGS
Visible coatings are permitted where lubricants are present. Visible piston coating above the top ring is permitted. Visible coating of cylinder head runners, combustions chambers, and/or intake manifold runners/plenums prohibited. Visible coating of any external surface of cylinder head or intake manifold prohibited, including, but not limited to runners and/or plenums.
1.33 “O” Ringing of block
“O” RINGING OF BLOCK: Permitted.


2: Drivetrain
2.3 CLUTCH
CLUTCH: Standard Ford OEM factory-replacement-style single disc diaphragm clutch required, 10.0” minimum diameter. Steel pressure plate minimum of 10.0-inch in diameter is required. Aluminum may not be utilized in pressure plate. Adjustable pressure plates,and/ or long-style pressure plates are prohibited. Clutch operation must be operated using factory style cable mechanism. 2005-up Mustangs using hydraulic clutch actuation may retro-fit ’79-’04 cable style mechanism.
2.4 DRIVESHAFT
DRIVESHAFT: Driveshaft required to be only steel or aluminum regardless of origin or manufacturer.
2.11 REAREND
REAREND: Ford 7.5-inch,8.8-inch, or 9-inch rearend required. Rearend must be stock width (axle flange to flange) for model year of car +/- 1.0-inch.
GEARS: Gears must be full weight, factory OEM-style replacement and may not be lightened, milled, or profiled. The only exception to this is the Motive Gear AX-series which is permitted Ratio may be different than stock. Ratio restricted to 3.90 ratio or numerically lower for 4.6 4-valve Modular combinations. 3-valve combinations will be permitted any gear ratio until the competitive balance of the category requires a limitation.
AXLES: Aftermarket axles may be utilized. Gun-drilling prohibited. Flanges for axle must be solid and one-piece. Pocket milling and lightening prohibited.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spools and mini-spools prohibited. Commercially available, OEM production, standard street-style differential required. Approved aftermarket differentials include: Ford Traction-loc, Auburn Standard, Auburn Pro, Eaton, Detroit Locker, Detroit TruTrac. Electronic or air-controlled locking mechanisms prohibited. All components utilized in rearend must be steel.
2.12 MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS
MANUAL TRANSMISSION: Only specified O.E.M. or specified aftermarket transmissions permitted. Overdrive gear(s) may be removed. Clutchless models prohibited. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Pro-shifting is permitted. All transmissions must use either a) as produced, as supplied (unmodified) OEM gears and/or gear sets for transmission used or b) specified stock replacement helical cut gears and/or gear sets in the exact form as submitted for consideration and accepted by the NMRA. Gears and/or gear sets may not be utilized from other models (i.e. T-56 gears may not be used in T-5 transmissions). Transmission used is required to have a gear ratio in all gears as offered by the transmission used. Welding or grafting part of one countershaft to part of another counter shaft will not be accepted.

2.12a) PERMITTED MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS:
Tremec T5, Tremec T45, Tremec T56, Tremec TR3550, Tremec TR3650, Tremec TKO, Tremec TKO-500, TKO-600, & Tremec TKOII.
2.12b): SHIFTER: Must be commercially available bolt on shifter. Must have a single handle and attach to the transmission using only a) the OEM type mounting bolts in the OEM mounting holes and b) must use a single pivot-ball type shifting arm.
2.12c) PERMITTED GEAR RATIOS:
Tremec T5(a) - 3.35, 1.99, 1.33, 1.00
Tremec T5(b) - 2.95, 1.94, 1.34, 1.00
Tremec T45 - 3.37, 1.99, 1.33, 1.00
Tremec T56 (a) - 2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1.00
Tremec T56 (b) - 2.97, 2.07, 1.43, 1.00
Tremec TR3550 - 3.27, 1.98, 1.34, 1.00
Tremec TR3650 - 3.38, 2.00, 1.32, 1.00
Tremec TKO/TKOII - 3.27, 1.98, 1.34, 1.00
T5 w/G-Force PN#5000 Dog Ring - 2.92, 1.99, 1.34, 1.00
T5 w/G-Force PN#5000 Syncro - 2.94, 1.94, 1.34, 1.00
Tremec TR3550/TKO/TKOII w/Liberty Gear PN#LG3500 - 2.92, 1.95, 1.34, 1.00
Tremec TKO-500 - 3.27, 1.97, 1.34, 1.00
Tremec TKO-600 - 2.87, 1.89, 1.28, 1.00
T5 w/G-Force PN#5000 Dog Ring – 3.22, 1.99, 1.34, 1.00

2.12d): SHIFTER: Must be commercially available bolt on shifter. Must have a single handle and attach to the transmission using only a) the OEM type mounting bolts in the OEM mounting holes and b) must use a single pivot-ball type shifting arm.
2.12e) FLYWHEEL: Steel or aluminum flywheel accepted.

2.13 PURPOSE BUILT TRANSMISSIONS
PURPOSE BUILT TRANSMISSIONS: Prohibited.
2.14 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS
(OEM American transmissions or replicas of OEM American transmissions that use planetary gears)
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS: Ford A.O.D. Ford A.O.D.E., 5R55S, and 4R70W transmissions with torque converter are required. Transbrake permitted. Overdrive gear may be removed. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited.

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3: BRAKES & SUSPENSION
3.1 BRAKES
BRAKES: OEM brake system for model year required front and rear. Brake system may be cross-bred as necessary from different models (i.e., GT brakes may be installed on a Cobra).. Must have four wheel operating brakes. Brake parts or rotors cannot be drilled or lightened. Vehicles originally equipped with rear drum brakes may retrofit newer-style Ford OEM rear disk brakes. Manual conversions permitted. Automated brakes or any type of traction control is prohibited. Application and release of brakes must be a function of the driver’s foot. Line loc permitted on front wheels only. Any other electric, pneumatic, or hydraulic device in the system is prohibited.
3.2 SHOCK ABSORBERS
shock absorbers: each vehicle in competition must be equipped with one operative shock absorber for each sprung wheel. Shock absorbers may be either hydraulic or friction type, securely mounted and in good working order. Shocks must be stand alone and may not be adjustable during run via any means.
3.3 STEERING
STEERING: Power assisted aftermarket steering system in stock location mandatory. Power steering pump must be fully functional.
3.4 Suspension, FRONT
FRONT SUSPENSION:
3.4a) K-MEMBERS: Factory unaltered O.E.M. K-Member required and must attach to the chassis using only the original eight (8) factory O.E.M. type mounting bolts in the factory mounting location. No part of the K-member may be permanently attached to the chassis. K-member may not be modified in oil pan area to allow oil pan enlargement or removal.
3.4b) STRUT TOWER: Factory strut tower required. No modifications may be made to the strut towers other than the following: 1) roll bar or roll cage may be welded to the strut towers for safety purposes.
3.4c) CONTROL ARMS: OEM control arms required which are attached in stock location.
3.4d) SHOCKS/STRUTS: Aftermarket struts and shocks permitted provided stock attachment location used. Shocks must be stand alone and may not be adjustable during run via any means.
3.4e) SPRINGS: Aftermarket springs permitted in OEM location.
3.4f) COIL OVERS: Coil over shocks and struts prohibited.
3.4g) CAMBER PLATES: Bolt on type camber plates permitted. Bolt on plate may be tack welded to strut tower to prevent movement (1/4” max. length), otherwise welding prohibited. Camber plate may only be attached to top flat portion of strut tower. Attachment to any other structure prohibited.
3.4h) SPINDLES: Only stock OEM Ford spindles are accepted. Aftermarket spindles are not permitted in Factory Stock. Any year OEM 1979-up Ford spindle permitted on 1979-2004 Mustangs.
3.4i) 2005-up MUSTANG: 2005 & later Ford Mustang bodies are required to utilize stock OEM 2005-up front suspension type and design. OEM 2005-up control arms & spindles are required. OEM-style coil-over type struts & springs are required. Retro-fitting of ’79-’04 suspension components prohibited. All other suspension rules apply.

3.4 SUSPENSION, REAR
REAR SUSPENSION: Stock type suspension, including stock 4-link, and traction bars permitted. Rear coil-over shocks prohibited. Stock Type Suspension: Stock type suspension may utilize aftermarket, direct replacement type suspension components including aftermarket replacement shocks, springs (in factory location), and/or control arms.
3.4a) 3-LINK and 4-LINK: Stock or stock-type direct-replacement 3-link and/or 4 links required. All stock type 3 or 4 link suspensions must maintain stock lateral angles and attachment points, but may be moved up or down on rear axle. Retrofitting and/or cross-breeding of 3-link and 4-link components prohibited. 3.4b) LADDER BARS: Prohibited.
3.4c) REPLACEMENT CONTROL ARMS: Replacement aftermarket O.E.M. style upper and lower control arms permitted. Control arms may use any type bushing, bearing, or rod end. Control arms may be adjustable to any length.
3.4d) PANHARD BARS: Panhard bars prohibited on 2004 & earlier body styles. Permitted on 2005-up.
3.4e) SWAY BARS & AIR BAGS: Factory rear sway bars required for model year. Must be bolted to control arms in OEM mounting fashion only. Aftermarket sway bars prohibited. Conventional-type air lift bag may be located in right rear spring only.
3.4f) TORQUE ARMS: Prohibited.
3.4g) REAR SHOCKS & SPRINGS: O.E.M. or aftermarket style shocks & springs required in stock location. Coil-over shocks & springs prohibited. Shocks must be stand alone and may not be adjustable during run via any means.
3.4h) TRACTION BARS: Bolt on traction bars with permanent (welded or bolted) rear end mount and rubber snubber (or rubber bushing with permanent mount) on chassis side permitted.
3.4i) 2005-up MUSTANG: 2005 & later Ford Mustang bodies are required to utilize stock OEM 2005-up rear suspension type and design, including OEM-style 3-link setup. OEM or aftermarket replacement 2005-up control arms, shocks & springs are required in factory location. Retro-fitting of ’79-’04 suspension components prohibited. All other suspension rules apply.
3.4j) TORQUE BOXES: The Wild Rides “S” Box has been deemed an acceptable OEM Fox-body torque box replacement when installed in the OEM location as per Wild Rides official instructions. The only acceptable control arm mounting location for the upper control arms is the middle hole on the “S” box, which is the same as the stock OEM mounting location.

3.6 WHEELIE BARS
WHEELIE BARS: Prohibited.

4:FRAME
4.4 FRAME
FRAME: Stock, unaltered frame rails required in front subframe and rear subframe. Subframes on unibodied cars may be joined under car. Maximum size material to be used; 2x3x1/8 inch rectangular tubing or 1 5/8 O.D. inch round tubing (.118MS or .083CM). If connector protrudes through floor, floor must be completely welded to connector.
4.5 GROUND CLEARANCE
GROUND CLEARANCE: Minimum 4 inches from front of vehicle to 12 inches behind centerline of front axle; 3 inches for remainder of vehicle, except oil pan and exhaust headers.
4.12 WHEELBASE
WHEELBASE: Entries must retain stock wheelbase + or - 1 inches of stock. Maximum variation from left to right and front to back is 1 inch.

5: tires & wheelsg
5.1 Tires
TIRES - FRONT: D.O.T. Radial tires required. Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches.
TIRES – REAR: Accepted street-type D.O.T. Radial tires are required. Drag radial tires must be suitable and designed for street use. Tire tread may not extend outside fenders. Tire shaving is prohibited. The following sidewall designation D.O.T. drag radial tires are the only permitted: 275/50/15; 275/60/15; 275/40/17. Slicks & wrinkle wall tires are prohibited.
5.1a) Permitted street-type D.O.T. radial tire list:
BFGoodrich Comp T/A Drag Radial
BFGoodrich G-force T/A Drag Radial
Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
Also accepted: any approved radial-construction tire with a D.O.T. tread wear rating of 180 or greater that fits all other criteria and sizing.
5.2 WHEELS
WHEELS: Spindle-mount front wheels prohibited.

[KenB]

6: INTERIOR
6.1 INTERIOR
Interior, GENERAL: Must maintain stock appearance; including factory OEM dashboard, headliner, & steering column cover. Heater/air conditioners may be removed.
6.4 CARPET
CARPET: Floor and tunnel where visible must be upholstered or carpeted. Headliner required.
6.5 SEATS
SEATS: Upholstered OEM or aftermarket upholstered seats (2) in stock location is required. Rear seat may be removed; area must be carpeted or upholstered.
6.6 DOOR PANELS
DOOR PANELS: Door panels must be covered and stock appearing.
6.7 STEERING COLUMN
STEERING COLUMN: Stock O.E.M. steering column required. Removable steering wheel permitted.
6.8 GAUGES
GUAGES: Aftermarket gauges may be installed in factory dash.
6.9 PEDALS/PEDAL LOCATION
PEDALS/PEDAL LOCATION: Stock type pedals, linkage, and location required.

7: Body
BODY: Vehicle must retain original or NMRA accepted appearances and profiles for year and make of body. Original O.E.M. body shell (unibody structure from firewall to taillight panel) must be intact. Only 1979 & newer Fox based Ford body styles, including 2005-up Mustangs, permitted. Lightweight body parts restricted to hood. Hood must be hinged or lift off. Deck lid must be hinged, lift off deck lids prohibited. Body must be finished and painted. Alterations or aerodynamic modifications such as “chopped tops”, “channeling”, “sectioning”, “shortening” or “scaling down” prohibited. If a convertible top is used as an entry the use of ANY mechanism under or above the convertible top is not permitted. Ex: Building a cover that would be located above or below the convertible top, using straps below or above the convertible top, etc. Convertible top needs to be operational.. Convertible entries must compete with top up.
7.1 ADVERTIsING
GRAPHICS: Graphics (for advertising or creative purposes) permitted on entire body, including doors, hood, rear quarter panels, front fenders, wing, etc.
CONTINGENCY DECALS: In order to be eligible for NMRA official contingency program, all contingency decals are required to appear only on the rear quarter windows or rear window in a clear and organized fashion. Contingency decals may not be overlapped or modified. Other decals and sponsorship (non-contingency) may appear on bodywork, front end, and on windows.
NMRA REQUIRED DECALS: The following decals are required for competition in NMRA events.
NMRA Windshield Decal – must be installed on top of windshield. This NMRA decal must be the only decal on top of windshield. Other vehicle sponsor decals may be placed at base of windshield.
NMRA 2006 Drag Racing Series “Side” Decals – must be installed on each side of vehicle on quarter windows.
Class Sponsor Decal – class sponsor decal must be installed on base of windshield on the passenger side.
Permanent Numbers – permanent numbers are required for competition in this class. Must be on front, rear, and both side windows.

7.2 SPOILERS
Rear SPOILER: Rear spoilers permitted, may not extend more than 26 inches from the transition point with the body to the rear most portions. Rear spoiler may not be molded into body (Pro Mod Style).
Spoilers must be stationary during entire run. A positive locking device to prevent movement required. Spring loaded spoilers prohibited. Spoiler spill plates (if used) may be a maximum of 12” in height.
7.5 FIREWALLS
Firewall: Stock, unaltered firewall required.
7.6 FLOOR/TRUNK PAN/TRANSMISSION TUNNEL
FLOOR: Stock, unaltered floor-pan, except for through the floor sub frame connectors, required from firewall to back bumper. Transmission tunnel must remain stock & unaltered. Removable floor-pan sections and/or transmission tunnels prohibited. Only spare tire well may be removed/replaced all other rear floor pan and trunk pan must be intact.
7.7 HOOD/SCOOP
Hood/Scoop: OEM or aftermarket hood permitted. Forward mounted hood scoops must be closed during competition. Cowl induction hoods restricted to a maximum of 5 inches as measured from the hood surface next to the scoop to the top of the scoop along the entire scoop. The entire induction system must be completely covered by hood. Hood must be attached separately in a conventional manner and must be lift off or bolt on.
7.9 WINDSHIELDS/WINDOWS
Windows: O.E.M. safety glass required. Driver and passenger windows must be closed during racing. Windows must be operative. NHRA-approved Lexan may be used to replace OEM sunroof glass and OEM T-Top glass, when installed in an NHRA-approved manner.
7.10 BUMPERS
Bumpers: not Applicable. License plate frame holders are not permitted to extend beyond flat surface of front bumper. No body components, bumper add-ons, or body kits are permitted to be added to the vehicle with the intent of increasing the frontal distance of the bumper for the purposes of breaking the infrared beams.
7.11 FENDER SPLASH PANS
Fender Splash Pans: Full, factory OEM sheet metal inner fenders required.
7.12 GRILLE
GRILLE: Stock grille required. Blocking of grille to prevent air passage is prohibited.
7.13 WHEELWELLS
INNER WHEELWELLS: Stock inner wheel wells required, may not be sectioned or replaced.
OUTER FENDERS: Leading and trailing edges of outer fenders may be trimmed for tire clearance, maximum 2”.
7.14 RAM AIR/ENGINE AIR PANS
Ram Air: Commercially available ram-air unit permitted. Headlights, turn signals, or hazard lights may not be removed/modified for air induction.
7.15 DOORS
Doors: Driver and passenger doors must be functional and operable from inside and outside of vehicle.
7.16 AERODYNAMICS
AERODYNAMICS: Taping of any body parts, seams, or front end prohibited. Removal of side mirrors prohibited. Head light covers permitted. Fog light covers permitted.
7.17 BODY KITS
BODY KITS: Only accepted, commercially available aftermarket body kits permitted. Filled-in lower valance prohibited, whether OEM or commercially available aftermarket. Blocking any portion of lower valance area (in front of behind valance) with Plexiglas or other materials prohibited.
7.18 COWL AREA
COWL AREA: Cowl area of vehicle must be unaltered.
7.19 FRONT FENDERS/FRONT FASCIA
FRONT FENDERS/FRONT FASCIA: Stock or stock replacementfront fenders and front fascia required (see section 7.17.) Filled-in lower valancewhether OEM-modified or as-supplied aftermarket valance, prohibited. May not be one-piece front end. Hole(s) in front bumper prohibited.

8: Electrical
8.1 BATTERY/CHARGING SYSTEM
BATTERY: Battery may be located in any part of vehicle. Only a single battery may be present in the vehicle during competition. Charging systems must be functional and crank driven by the factory style 6 rib serpentine belt.
8.3 Ignition
IGNITION: Any battery operated ignition permitted. Distributor drive system must be stock O.E.M. as produced.
8.5 STARTER
STARTER: All entries must be self-starting with on-board starter in OEM location.

9: SUPPORT GROUPS
Bracket racing aids such as optical sensors, delay boxes, stutter boxes, etc. prohibited. Throttle stops prohibited. The application or use of any device, mechanical or electronic, that permits the driver to ascertain the position of their vehicle in relation to the starting line is prohibited.
9.2 OnBoard Diagnostics/Data Recorders
ONBOARD DIAGNOSTICS/DATA RECORDERS: External data recorders & data loggers are prohibited.
Wide band oxygen sensors and recorders are prohibited.EFI systems if standard equipped are permitted to record engine functions only of the vehicle. Playback tachometers permitted including those that record driveshaft RPM. Any wiring monitoring engine or drive train functions other than those specifically permitted are prohibited. Laptops prohibited in vehicle during competition.
9.8 TOW VEHICLES
TOW VEHICLES: Vehicles may not be towed in or to staging lanes. Vehicles may not be towed from the return road. Vehicle may be towed from scales.

10: DRIVER
10.4 CREDENTIALS
CREDENTIALS: See general regulations.

11: CLASS & SAFETY REQUIREMENTS
It is the participant’s responsibility to familiarize oneself with the class requirements as found in the 2006 NMRA rulebook and the safety requirements as found in the 2006 NHRA rulebook.
The participant agrees that the participant bears the ultimate responsibility at all times to ensure the safety of participant’s vehicle and to ensure that participant complies with all applicable NHRA & NMRA rules. The participant agrees that participant is in the best position to know about the construction and operation of participant’s vehicle, equipment, and clothing, and whether there has been compliance with all applicable NHRA & NMRA rules.

12: Street-Legal Requirements
Headlights and tail lights for year & make of body used mandatory. Head lights & tail lights required to be functional.

14:RULES ADJUSTMENTS, MID SEASON LOG
Date: Adjustment:
None at this time.

[Ian Mullane]

Oh well, guess I need to finish the 2V.:cool: Pure Street is gonna be a great class to watch next year. Factory Stock is gonna be quite a let down to the fans, I'm afraid. It'll come around eventually though.

[jackchan]

so basically the pre lim rules are identical to the final rules with the exception of the AX gear being allowed, and the wild rides torque boxs being allowed in center position.........correct? or did I miss something?
Jack

[KenB]

so basically the pre lim rules are identical to the final rules with the exception of the AX gear being allowed, and the wild rides torque boxs being allowed in center position.........correct? or did I miss something?
Jack


They let the aluminum flywheels back in and a trunk mounted battery. But they added OEM brakes. Not sure what else.

Ken

[Steve Moberley]

Wow. This is a pretty ballsy move on NMRA's part.

Steve

[vrtical]

"3-valve combinations will be permitted any gear ratio until the competitive balance of the category requires a limitation."

^^^^^^^^^^^^ :)

[CarlosSobrino]

Ouch !! No spools etc etc. I can see the increase in "street orientated" stangs next year in F/S, oh yea, all the street guys I know run "spec fuel".

[jackchan]

i like the battery deal. gonna save a lot of people a little trouble.

[Shawn Johnson]

i like the battery deal. gonna save a lot of people a little trouble.


A lot of current FS races will not come back..... to expensive to go slower...

[Gray86hatch]

It looks like windage trays are ok.

That brake a rearend thing is a tough deal.

Good luck guys

Tim

[Justin Burcham]

The "Green" car will not be back in F/S, too many changes to make the racecar more street friendly.:rolleyes: Mel's car is a closer fit to these rules, although I'd have to take off the aerospace "Street" kit that I bought for the car since it saw daily driving duties and install those High powered Ford Oem units!!
Also the spool and the "saved 2lbs" flange lightened 31 spline axles, which are still heavier than those stout stock 28 spline pieces. Shall I go on? Yeah why not. I guess I'll instruct all my customers to "steer clear" of the good stopping power, and if ya go with the slotted type don't show up in F/S this year!! That's getting a little carried away NMRA. Anyone need a good P/S or R/S legal green car? Call me, I know where there's a good deal on one.

[MP John]

I really feel proud. I hope that Mike and Shawn do to.

We built a Championship car to the rules and today the NMRA banned it! That is one hell of a compliment!

[Gene Hindman]

I really feel proud. I hope that Mike and Shawn do to.

We built a Championship car to the rules and today the NMRA banned it! That is one hell of a compliment!
Don't forget that Bob Cosby has had it(Same combo) banned more than once for being in the same spot.
Atleast you found out before the season, they could have waited until after the 3rd race of the season to make some parity....

[ponie1992]

i really feel bad for those that have to do major changes to their cars to compete. i know it sucks for them and i would be pissed too. but, the way they are setting up the rules is close to how it should have been in the first place. this class got way out of hand in my opinion. i personally like the way the NMRA is going with this class. good luck to all this coming year and hopefully with these new rules, i'll see ya'll at one or two events:)

[Jamie R.]

Ellen and I will be back with our ole' '87 Gt known as F/S 6500. I liked the rules and still like final rules. I do take exception with the brake rule because these brakes actually help the car stop better. I certainly dislike greatly the mass air meter on a Speed Density car. Like I said F/S 6500 will be in Bradenton barring anything unexpected coming up to hold us up. See ya'll.

Jamie R.
F/S 6500

[Adam Smith]

Does anyone really think if they completely and totally dominate a class, that in the process they aren't painting a huge target on their back or their combo? C'mon. In the end its about money, the NMRA says, "we basically have poor car counts because there are 4 competitive cars. We change the rules, piss those 4 people off, they quit racing, but we have 10 slower cars who pay the same entry fee to replace them". Its not rocket science. All of the top dominant racers have faced these sort of things. Its how they handle it that makes a true champion IMO.



The number 4 was just used for an example and there is nothing wrong with the 10 slower cars either, just wanted to say that.:) I certainly don't agree with some of these rule changes, but they are what they are.

Adam

[Gene Hindman]

All of the top dominant racers have faced these sort of things. Its how they handle it that makes a true champion IMO.

Adam
You serious? I am guessing not. Champions aren't formed from being nice. Champions are formed from working their butts off and getting to all the races and finishing in a good spot at most of them. The way they handle themsleves is their sportmanship, not their Championship status. And it is not wrong to form an opinion about how the rules are either writing you in or out. It is human nature to be pissed off when someone writes a person out of the rules after they just spent bookoos of dollars to get where their at.
Champions are formed on the track, not in the pits.

[jackchan]

I feel bad for the people who have spent all their hard earned money to build up their combo's only to find out they will have to make major changes ...but I can't help but feel a little bit good about the class coming back to a more "street car" freindly class. IHMO.
Racers will come and racers will go, this is an expensive sport no matter how you look at it!....It is however a long time dream of mine to be able to make even one event (hopefully 2 or 3 this season, maybe more). Hopefully most of the competitors will return again, and the field will be full of new people as well. good luck to everyone, whichever way they choose to go.
Jack

[Skyler Hardy]

i have talked to trevor and i don't know if he will be back for 06'? the brake thing is a little dumb but i'm not the boss so. i know we will race some class, maybe open comp? dunno? damn even my car doesn't fit these rules and i have a stock car! gesh. well i hope most of you come back for 06'! justin your 05 is one bad azz ride! johnathan i will miss you just like mike, carlos wtf? you better come to atleast a couple of races! for everyone else i will prolly see you in martin, columbus, joliet and BG. oh yea leslie tell your folks to fire up the grill, the big man is hungry lol, j/k.

[KenCook]

Hmmmm
not sure where we will be racing.
they do have a atco race.

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[Ian Mullane]

It may appear that the new rules will run a few off while bringing in new teams but in reality how many of the new teams will run the entire schedule. The guys that were dedicated enough to follow the entire series over the last few seasons are the ones that wont come back. So far everyone that likes the rules has stated they will now attend "some" of the events. This will not make for a very exciting season. I predict lower car counts than ever, mark my words. Making top ten should be a piece of cake. :(

[Chalie Sr.]

Ian,
I totally agree with you! I think the car count will be down to. NMRA has lost probably all the guys that ran this class consistently last year. It is a shame! In my case I guessed wrong onthe way the class would be going with my new car and I;m not going tochange it around! I have my son's old white car sitting in the garage and it fits the class rules. The motor is tired !!!
If my nephew feels like racing in the class I think I will give Justin a call and see if He wants to unload the green cars motor! I will be in Florida to watch! It is a shame all thecars that I loved to watch race won't be there!!!!
Good Luck To All,
Chalie Rankin Sr.
O/C here I Come Again!

[John Leslie Jr.]

It may appear that the new rules will run a few off while bringing in new teams but in reality how many of the new teams will run the entire schedule. The guys that were dedicated enough to follow the entire series over the last few seasons are the ones that wont come back. So far everyone that likes the rules has stated they will now attend "some" of the events. This will not make for a very exciting season. I predict lower car counts than ever, mark my words. Making top ten should be a piece of cake. :(

I follow the circuit, and i will be back to race, I have to make a few changes, nothing major, and i'm ready to go.

[KenB]

Let's make some predictions

I say there will be no more than 5 cars that make 7 of 9 races, probably less.

In comparison, I'd say the P/S class (which saw barely any changes) will see 12-20 cars at most of the races, maybe more.


Ken

[FS MACH1]

NICE,
this is Brian F/S 6117 just as i was excited to come back to nmra with a great 4-valve motor they do this. WOW! Thats how it goes Jeff gives me one of his great motors and it really becomes useless in the car, i believe anyway with a 390 gear, i had more gear in my wifes 99 gt covertable daily driver. He says he is not racing in factory stock, but maybe if time allows he said he may build me a 2vavle car to run in the class. Jeff is very competitive and likes to be in the mix of things all the time and always striving for the top, just like me. But i ran 12:25 my fist year and wasnt that happy, i like the 11:40 sounds better. Might be possible in a 2 vavle this year, but the class just dont seem as exciting now, I believe ill build the car i always wanted and go have fun with it at local tracks or special events that it may qualify its self for. Good Luck to everyone and we will probably see you at martin as a spectator or something.LOL

I do have to say the NMRA does a good job at drama and should start a soap opera, it may make more money for them. LOL

P.S. Mike W. it still goes back to what you told me in georgia, "you have to buy the car that fits the class and spend the money to make it competitive" Money and skill and determination will always prevail. I just think to add to that its a shame that the top 4 invested so much for the last few years and have to basically start from scratch now.

Thats just my 2 cents.Have Fun thats whats its about "I guess"

Brian F/S 6117

[Adam Smith]

You serious? I am guessing not. Champions aren't formed from being nice. Champions are formed from working their butts off and getting to all the races and finishing in a good spot at most of them. The way they handle themsleves is their sportmanship, not their Championship status. And it is not wrong to form an opinion about how the rules are either writing you in or out. It is human nature to be pissed off when someone writes a person out of the rules after they just spent bookoos of dollars to get where their at.
Champions are formed on the track, not in the pits.

Who said anything about being nice? If champions are formed by "working their butts off, getting to all the races and finishing well", then whats the problem? They can still do all those things. If they feel the new rules are unfair, then quit. Guys like Leslie Jr have been bringing a knife to a gunfight for how long? He stuck with it, he didn't just say, "this sucks, they let the 4V's race, I'm done".That is a racer to me, thats perserverance. I truly feel bad for the guys that the rules affect the most, if it affected me, i would be irate. I think they should have gave a liitle more warning, but they didn't. As for car counts, they will be the same, there will always be someone waiting in the wings to take over.

[John Leslie Jr.]

Thanks Adam, what u have said in the last post and the one before, you are absolutly correct. Rules do kinda stink, but like you said, you have to stick it out and deal with them. Well time to get the ball rolling, with time limited we probably wont make florida, it will be pushing it, but well be at Georgia, hope to see you there.

[Ranger50]

Just a WAG...

Maybe these rules are out to, for lack of a better word, "kick" out the old guard and inject new lifeblood into the class??? I mean it's all well and good, that some of us have raced this class since it started. A select few have won the championship, but is it really in the best interest of/for the NMRA to have a few veterans win everytime?

This is supposed to be the "entry-level-then-move-on-up-a-class" class here isn't it?????

Brian

[Chalie Sr.]

Well,
as far as changing of the guard! we will see ! The car counts will tell the tale!!! I will be in Florida to watch . Like I said all the cars that should be there and supported the class over the years won't!!!! John I wish you luck and look forward to see you maybe at the Atco or Maple Grove race.
Good Luck To All The F/S racers!
Chalie Rankin
Nsca here we come!!
Back To Open Comp!!

[KenB]

Don't you pushrod guys get too excited, we'll be out with a new 4V combo for 06. :D

[Adam Smith]

Don't you pushrod guys get too excited, we'll be out with a new 4V combo for 06. :D

See....people are still going to mix it up. I think it will be exciting to wonder who is going to the finals, and who is going to win the event. Instead of pretty much knowing.

[KenB]

See....people are still going to mix it up. I think it will be exciting to wonder who is going to the finals, and who is going to win the event. Instead of pretty much knowing.


The only reason we will still be coming out is because the car is just being started so the rule changes don't cost us alot of money. The 3.90 gear rule REALLY sucks but we are looking forward to the challenge.


Ken

[KenCook]

There will always be one guy who pushes the limit.
even with the new rules. We will see by the 3rd or 4th race.
Which combo it will be I have no idea.

See....people are still going to mix it up. I think it will be exciting to wonder who is going to the finals, and who is going to win the event. Instead of pretty much knowing.

[Ian Mullane]

See....people are still going to mix it up. I think it will be exciting to wonder who is going to the finals, and who is going to win the event. Instead of pretty much knowing.

I found last season to be quite exciting;)



Look, it's not the end of the class. Just the end as I'd like to see it, but who am I. I've said this before, no matter what happens to the rules there will always be a couple of people that will stand out and run ahead of the rest.

Good luck to you John.
Jamie R., you need to get away from those twins and make a run for it next year.
Looking forward to helping Steve out with his MD backed 4V next season. They better get to work. I gotta get that contract signed;) .
We'll see what else transpires.

[Rey]

Hey guys,

Hopefully my car will be in race ready trim come end of Feb. Don't know how all of this will turn out but I hate to see all of the guys I raced with(blowing my doors off) leave.I know the rules have leaned on the 2v a bit and it helps guys like me out but I also think it was way too much on the 4v cars.I hope to still see everyone out there sometime in the season..I plan on doing 9 races this year...Either way you guys have a happy holiday:)

Rey FS 6124

[KenB]

Hey guys,
I plan on doing 9 races this year...Either way you guys have a happy holiday:)

Rey FS 6124


Rey...there are only 8 races next year.:D

[Rey]

Rey...there are only 8 races next year.:D


oooops......oh ya..........:D :o

[Bob Cosby]

Let's make some predictions

I say there will be no more than 5 cars that make 7 of 9 races, probably less.

In comparison, I'd say the P/S class (which saw barely any changes) will see 12-20 cars at most of the races, maybe more.


Ken

It will be interesting to see. If my math is correct, an average of 10 cars showed up at each race last year. The least was KC (6 cars) and the most was BG (15 cars). If the NMRA sees more cars per race this year, then I'd say their changes were validated. If not, then they screwed up.

I didn't take the time to look up P/S car counts in 2005, but suffice to say that the class really looked to be on the rise (a good thing indeed).

[smav347]

I think it may take more than one season to judge if the NMRA "screwed up". Think of the newbies that will be building FS cars to the new rules. I think we may need to think long term on this one...IMO

-Jake

[AutomaticWeapon]

Well, I like the new rules... WTG, NMRA... You are on the correct path here. f/s has been my favorite class since i've been following/racing with NMRA, and the ss/o guys are a super-close second.

This is an extremely great oppurtunity for me to run a REAL h/u class without breaking the bank, and stay competitive at the same time. These rules have me thinking big-time!

I don't want this to seem trivial, because it is'nt, this would cost me a pretty penny and take alot of time... But all I gotta do at this point is re-install my stock k-member and cams, re-gear, get re-tuned, add BFGs, modify my rear LCAs to accept a swaybar (no mounting tabs), and get shorty headers... .400class racing, here I come?! I definatily have some thinking to do.

I will slow down as a result ET wise, but the mods arent that drastic (in my case) and i'm 98% confident that I could run a good number in f/s trim in average air with my 100% stock Explorer engine. I know I wont be #1 qualfier, but i'm confident that I wouldent be too slow to be in solidily in the mix. I know i'm not the first, but I MIGHT be one of the last that actually drives his race car thousands of miles with the a/c and stereo blasting to run in a NMRA .400 eliminator, then place good, then drive home.

My only concern is Spec fuel. ("Real Stock") d/d cars like mine run (best with) whats at the gas station on the corner, 93 octane. NMRA should allow f/s to run with 93 (or less) commercialially available octane fuel.

Some of you need to do the finger in water experiment... Fill a glass with water and put your finger in it. What happens when you take your finger out of the glass? ... Yup, the water (ie. different racers) take up the space and everything continues. I did'nt post that senerio as a slam, just reality.

-Mike

[ponie1992]

My only concern is Spec fuel. ("Real Stock") d/d cars like mine run (best with) whats at the gas station on the corner, 93 octane. NMRA should allow f/s to run with 93 (or less) commercialially available octane fuel.

-Mike


amen to that brotha. i also drive my car on the street every chance i get (which is not very often), still have a/c, radio, power everything. i almost got DQ'd in 2003 because of fuel. it's hard to get all the pump gas out of the tank when you drive it often on the street. wish they would change the spec fuel rule. they probably never will though:(

[Shawn Johnson]

Well, I like the new rules... WTG, NMRA... You are on the correct path here. f/s has been my favorite class since i've been following/racing with NMRA, and the ss/o guys are a super-close second.

This is an extremely great oppurtunity for me to run a REAL h/u class without breaking the bank, and stay competitive at the same time. These rules have me thinking big-time!

I don't want this to seem trivial, because it is'nt, this would cost me a pretty penny and take alot of time... But all I gotta do at this point is re-install my stock k-member and cams, re-gear, get re-tuned, add BFGs, modify my rear LCAs to accept a swaybar (no mounting tabs), and get shorty headers... .400class racing, here I come?! I definatily have some thinking to do.



Some of you need to do the finger in water experiment... Fill a glass with water and put your finger in it. What happens when you take your finger out of the glass? ... Yup, the water (ie. different racers) take up the space and everything continues. I did'nt post that senerio as a slam, just reality.

-Mike

I'm selling my complete exhaust --- shorties X pipe and SLP.... $600


As far as the finger goes....any top driver from 05 will only be sticking thier fingure up.... not in a glass of water....
You put $30000 - $40000 grand into your car and then have the NMRA tell you it's now COMPLETELY illegal and your only options are to sell or spend more and start over in a different class... then we will see where you stick your fingure.... no slam intended either...


Shawn



Shawn

[jackchan]

$30,000 - $40,000 invested car's IMHO shouldn't even be in NMRA Factory Stock.....Someone with that much money in their car should be in a much higher class than an entry level NMRA class......no slam intended here either.
I guess it may be easier to sink that much money into a mod car than I realize.....not counting the initial investment of course. Or thats the way it sounded.
Jack

[Brandon Alsept]

$30,000 - $40,000 invested car's IMHO shouldn't even be in NMRA Factory Stock.....Someone with that much money in their car should be in a much higher class than an entry level NMRA class......no slam intended here either.
I guess it may be easier to sink that much money into a mod car than I realize.....not counting the initial investment of course. Or thats the way it sounded.
Jack


LOL no just think of it this way. How much money you think cars in higher classes spend? People that want to win will spend every penny they have if they think they will get some more et out of the car.

The mods are not more $ just the valve train since we have to buy 3 more cams and 16 more springs, and valves.

[KenB]

Well, I like the new rules... WTG, NMRA... You are on the correct path here. f/s has been my favorite class since i've been following/racing with NMRA, and the ss/o guys are a super-close second.

This is an extremely great oppurtunity for me to run a REAL h/u class without breaking the bank, and stay competitive at the same time. These rules have me thinking big-time!

I don't want this to seem trivial, because it is'nt, this would cost me a pretty penny and take alot of time... But all I gotta do at this point is re-install my stock k-member and cams, re-gear, get re-tuned, add BFGs, modify my rear LCAs to accept a swaybar (no mounting tabs), and get shorty headers... .400class racing, here I come?! I definatily have some thinking to do.

I will slow down as a result ET wise, but the mods arent that drastic (in my case) and i'm 98% confident that I could run a good number in f/s trim in average air with my 100% stock Explorer engine. I know I wont be #1 qualfier, but i'm confident that I wouldent be too slow to be in solidily in the mix. I know i'm not the first, but I MIGHT be one of the last that actually drives his race car thousands of miles with the a/c and stereo blasting to run in a NMRA .400 eliminator, then place good, then drive home.

My only concern is Spec fuel. ("Real Stock") d/d cars like mine run (best with) whats at the gas station on the corner, 93 octane. NMRA should allow f/s to run with 93 (or less) commercialially available octane fuel.

Some of you need to do the finger in water experiment... Fill a glass with water and put your finger in it. What happens when you take your finger out of the glass? ... Yup, the water (ie. different racers) take up the space and everything continues. I did'nt post that senerio as a slam, just reality.

-Mike

Mike,

I'd love to see you take a shot at it. But quite honestly, I don't think you will be 'in the mix' with that combo. What would estimate the ETs to be in average air with that combo, mid 12's?

Ken


Ken

[Dennis Merrow]

$30,000 - $40,000 invested car's IMHO shouldn't even be in NMRA Factory Stock.....Someone with that much money in their car should be in a much higher class than an entry level NMRA class......no slam intended here either.
I guess it may be easier to sink that much money into a mod car than I realize.....not counting the initial investment of course. Or thats the way it sounded.
Jack


It's funny how people think these rules will make this heads up class cheaper to run. who ever is at the top of the field will have all the money in their car , to get there you have to test different parts to get the best combination and that cost alot of money. do you think the first clutch you put in your car will be the best ? doubt it.you may have to buy 5 or more,how about your heads ? how about springs and shocks ?
they're were only a few of us that could 60' in the 50's on the radials and that took alot of testing different parts to get there.
the initial investment to get into the class might be cheaper for some by maybe getting a few used parts or buying a used car, but it will start to add up if you want to be competitive and get tired of driving 1000 mi to go out in the 1st round.
30,000 - 40,000 sounds about right for a championship car in factory stock.
I know I have about twice that in my drag radial car.

[Dennis Merrow]

Mike,

I'd love to see you take a shot at it. But quite honestly, I don't think you will be 'in the mix' with that combo. What would estimate the ETs to be in average air with that combo, mid 12's?

Ken


Ken

I'm sure next year you will still need a mid 11 sec car to be "in the mix".

[KenB]

I'm sure next year you will still need a mid 11 sec car to be "in the mix".

Not sure about the 'mid' part just yet, but it will definitely still be an 11 second class.

Ken

[jackchan]

Well I may be off somewhat on "my ideas" of what should or shouldn't be spent on a FS class winning car, but that still seem's like a lot to me. You mentioned cams?? From what I understand the cams are suppose to be stock??........I can understand valve springs, but then again how much does it cost for (a set of) spring's to hold up to the amount of lift on a FS legal cam? I always hear people say "it's in the valve springs", or "its in the clutch". Sure those two items probably do have a huge out come on power/how its applied in the powerband and how its put to the ground. And I'm sure that getting all your power to the ground in FS is not only the goal but also the key,.....it still seems a little excessive to me. However, I am quickly seeing how expensive it is becoming while building my initial combo. My hat is off to the guys who run all of these NMRA class's. Not because they have spent a lot of money but because they have had the determination to build a purpose built car for a class, dug deep within everything about them to put it all together, and are here in the first place.

Anyone can spend loads of money, but the real racers/gear heads will rise to the top! Some people (that are gear heads) do have a better ability to market themselves (which helps with sponsors) and cars. That in itself is quite an accomplishment. Others struggle with sponsors, but seem to always come up with the money when the time is right. That too can be taken as an acomplishment, because basically that usually means they get out there and worked overtime, or a second or third job just to do what they love.
And in a few cases, the top cars are (this is not directed towards anyone) people who have money, and car market themselves and have a un-limelited gearhead as their crew cheif. Its kinda like a football quarterback......most times than not the quarterback gets all the cudo's when in reality the quarterback isn't squat without a good line.
enough rambling.......lol.......I look forward to meeting you guys in Bradenton. I already know a few of you, but the others I look forward to meeting.......
Jack

[Bob Cosby]

It doesn't take a ton of money or stupid amounts of time at the track to be competitive in F/S. I'm walking talking blubbering proof.

Not to imply that it is easy or cheap, but it can be done for far less than $30k, and without spending your life at the track.

[KenB]

Anyone can spend loads of money, but the real racers/gear heads will rise to the top!

That may be true in some cases. Maybe local racing. But at this level it takes both to rise to the top. Gear heads will be able to compete, people who spend money will be able to compete, but to rise to the top of ANY NMRA class you will need both. Sure, in some classes depending on car count you may get lucky and sneak a final round in due to breakage or something else, but over the long haul (season championship) you'll need to spend the cheddar.


Ken

[MP John]

It doesn't take a ton of money or stupid amounts of time at the track to be competitive in F/S. I'm walking talking blubbering proof.

Not to imply that it is easy or cheap, but it can be done for far less than $30k, and without spending your life at the track.

So your total investment was less than $30k.
If you add it all up (car, trailer, engine, trans etc) it has to be more than that. I know your a thrifty shopper (buying used tires off the street guys for 25% of their original cost). You had $30k invested in the Cobra and with the new engine.

NMRA thinks that by changing the rules will allow the fellow with a $5k Mustang to race competitively (top half of the class). I don't think that will happen.

[Bob Cosby]

If you include the cost of buying a car, a trailer, and the stuff I already had, then I suppose you might get close to that. However, my investment in 2004 to go from a true daily driven, stock motored, "bolt-on" street car to the 2004 F/S championship was a fraction of $30k - way less than half.

No doubt a $5k Mustang won't be competitive anymore.

[Gray86hatch]

$30,000 - $40,000 invested car's IMHO shouldn't even be in NMRA Factory Stock.....Someone with that much money in their car should be in a much higher class than an entry level NMRA class......no slam intended here either.
I guess it may be easier to sink that much money into a mod car than I realize.....not counting the initial investment of course. Or thats the way it sounded.
Jack

I know that to build a HS car minus the motor is about $60k.

Charlie Booze told me that he can build a copy of his car for about $90k.

I can see the 30-40 k Shawn has in his. He has worked and spent his butt off on that car for 2.5 years and the preformance proves it.

I can see the Mod & purpose built car guys fustration they have been forced to spend money to race.

Just glad I will be able to race at a few races is OC and join in on the fun.

Good Luck guys

Tim

[MP John]

I agree Bob, IF you own the car then stepping into the class won't be as a hard on the wallet. EXCEPT if you have aftermarket brakes.

MY 99 GT Roush Stage II could compete, and run competetively, but it has Roush brakes and side exhaust. Both illegal.

[Bob Cosby]

I know that to build a HS car minus the motor is about $60k.

Charlie Booze told me that he can build a copy of his car for about $90k.

I can see the 30-40 k Shawn has in his. He has worked and spent his butt off on that car for 2.5 years and the preformance proves it.

I can see the Mod & purpose built car guys fustration they have been forced to spend money to race.

Just glad I will be able to race at a few races is OC and join in on the fun.

Good Luck guys

Tim
I have no doubt that Shawn has at least that in his car. However, that wasn't my point.

John....bet you could trade someone those fancy brakes and side exhaust for a set of stockers with no out-of-pocket expense involved. :)

[stangfireman]

Ok, here's a stupid question. Is it a factory cam now or is it a cam with their specs? We know Anderson Ford Motorsports sells FS/RS cams. Or they did if it's a stock cam rule now. LOL

Jack, I know several people that have gone through upwards of 30 cams finding the stock cam that gave them the most power. Some were from the salvage yard and some from friends getting rid of theirs, etc. etc...
And the same with heads. One casting might flow a little better then another. Not all are created equal. I'm sure you'll see when you run the class. LOL
I happened to catch Officer Cosby at a good time and bought into a good car at a good deal. IMHO Thanks Bob!

But going to the races was the great too! :D

[Shawn Johnson]

Ok, here's a stupid question. Is it a factory cam now or is it a cam with their specs? We know Anderson Ford Motorsports sells FS/RS cams. Or they did if it's a stock cam rule now. LOL

Jack, I know several people that have gone through upwards of 30 cams finding the stock cam that gave them the most power. Some were from the salvage yard and some from friends getting rid of theirs, etc. etc...
And the same with heads. One casting might flow a little better then another. Not all are created equal. I'm sure you'll see when you run the class. LOL
I happened to catch Officer Cosby at a good time and bought into a good car at a good deal. IMHO Thanks Bob!

But going to the races was the great too! :D

This is where the money starts to add up.....
I use to race with Jason Line and his brother when I started and they were running their 1969 mustangs in NHRA stock classes and we all got into a discussion about cost and they both told me that just because you use “stock parts does not make it less and in some cases its more”.
I didn’t really understand till trying it..
You are not allowed to touch a intake or cam or etc….
I tried 5 to 10 different intakes and even barrowed some from Jeff to try… some STOCK intakes were almost 10hp different… I found I believe it was 4 more HP over anything I had in the one I barrowed from Jeff…. Which I need to give back now…. Now add up the cost to buy all those intakes…
Same goes with cams….if you do not have an unlimited supply of intakes and cams and etc to try you have to buy them to do it…. The last set of cams I bought for the car was straight from Ford because I could find used ones and they cost just under $1000…
So the cost adds up quickly.
I bought the Cobra just to build to race so it is in the total cost…
FS will still be a purpose built car class…..as far as at the top….

Shawn

[Justin Burcham]

Someone posted awhile back," the newbies that are building cars". I don't think there will be too much involved in "building" a F/S (pushrod)car.

Just go to the used car lot, find a stocker and use Justin's secret recipe.

Mix in a pot: 1 airbag, 4.10's, weld draglites 15x3 1/2 oh wait.....are those legal? They’re not for street use? Oh well substitute if necessary, 15x8, aluminum flywheel, BFG's, 155lph fuel pump, 76 C&L meter, and a purpose built engine. There you have it-Champion!!!:rolleyes:

It should be interesting and I look forward to seeing some new faces this year. Although I have to agree w/Ian it will probably be different at every track.:)

I'm going to start carrying C-10 with me and hang around tech. Spec what? I've only got 93 in the tank, how am I supposed to get that all out??? "Well that's a dumb rule" lol. I can see it now.:)

I think Robin said 3 years ago that it takes 30-40k to build a front running F/S car. He's not lying; Bob's an exception to the rule. It obviously shows me that, at the time, his combo had an advantage. My whole argument back then. A streetcar outruns a racecar. Oh well, that's spilt milk. Yes boys its expensive, unless of course you have the recipe!:D

[Fast Orange]

This is an extremely great oppurtunity for me to run a REAL h/u class without breaking the bank, and stay competitive at the same time. These rules have me thinking big-time!



I will slow down as a result ET wise, but the mods arent that drastic (in my case) and i'm 98% confident that I could run a good number in f/s trim in average air with my 100% stock Explorer engine. I know I wont be #1 qualfier, but i'm confident that I wouldent be too slow to be in solidily in the mix. I know i'm not the first, but I MIGHT be one of the last that actually drives his race car thousands of miles with the a/c and stereo blasting to run in a NMRA .400 eliminator, then place good, then drive home.


-Mike

A competitive pushrod motor will still cost $5000 to $8000 (or more), good luck with your explorer engine.....

spending $20,000 or more to run 11.90's is sounding pretty Boring to Me.
Anyone Looking for a Turn Key almost legal F/S car (or Motor)?

[samnjack]

Justin you forgot step one in your secret recipe,The burcham five finger knuckle shuffle:D :D BOINK

[Bob Cosby]

Well I'll guess we can just agree to disagree. I do not think it takes $30k+ to build a competitive car. Certainly you can do that, and if include the purchase of a new, or nearly-new car into the equation, then it can easily far exceed it - but I contend that most folks already have the basis for a good car, and most of the money will go into the engine and some details.

Good luck to ya'll next season...and I would still run a 4V under the 06 rules if given the chance....though the 2Vs do look quite interesting! :)

Bob

[Rey]

though the 2Vs do look quite interesting! :)

Bob :D That makes me feel better Bob , Thanks!......:D

[Moby Smith]

This is where the money starts to add up.....
I use to race with Jason Line and his brother when I started and they were running their 1969 mustangs in NHRA stock classes and we all got into a discussion about cost and they both told me that just because you use “stock parts does not make it less and in some cases its more”.
I didn’t really understand till trying it..
You are not allowed to touch a intake or cam or etc….
I tried 5 to 10 different intakes and even barrowed some from Jeff to try… some STOCK intakes were almost 10hp different… I found I believe it was 4 more HP over anything I had in the one I barrowed from Jeff…. Which I need to give back now…. Now add up the cost to buy all those intakes…
Same goes with cams….if you do not have an unlimited supply of intakes and cams and etc to try you have to buy them to do it…. The last set of cams I bought for the car was straight from Ford because I could find used ones and they cost just under $1000…
So the cost adds up quickly.
I bought the Cobra just to build to race so it is in the total cost…
FS will still be a purpose built car class…..as far as at the top….

Shawn
I know exactly how much Jeff paid for those intakes!

[Moby Smith]

Well I'll guess we can just agree to disagree. I do not think it takes $30k+ to build a competitive car. Certainly you can do that, and if include the purchase of a new, or nearly-new car into the equation, then it can easily far exceed it - but I contend that most folks already have the basis for a good car, and most of the money will go into the engine and some details.

Good luck to ya'll next season...and I would still run a 4V under the 06 rules if given the chance....though the 2Vs do look quite interesting! :)

Bob
I've got one that I will sell for 18k with a stock tranny.:)

[DanK]

As an entry level class, is it a reasonable thing to spend lots of money looking for beneficial production differences? No insult meant but for an entry level class that's going a little overboard. Not saying the persistant effort and money doesn't pay off with a win though. Nice to see the stock brakes and suspension changes plus status quo on flywheel, etc. The gear rule is off though. Might as well stay with some 3.55's and shift one less time maybe or short shift into 4th.

Bob's "original recipe" sounds like the way to go with a couple part exceptions maybe.

[Ranger50]

As an entry level class, is it a reasonable thing to spend lots of money looking for beneficial production differences? No insult meant but for an entry level class that's going a little overboard. Not saying the persistant effort and money doesn't pay off with a win though. Nice to see the stock brakes and suspension changes plus status quo on flywheel, etc. The gear rule is off though. Might as well stay with some 3.55's and shift one less time maybe or short shift into 4th.

Bob's "original recipe" sounds like the way to go with a couple part exceptions maybe.

Then you haven't been to many restricted rules circle jerker races then.....Those guys are ALWAYS looking for an advantage, no matter the price. Same thing is going to happen here, "If it isn't written in black and white, it isn't illegal to do until it's made exclusively illegal."

Because even with "stock" brakes, someone will go out and weigh every possible brake rotor manufacturer to find who is the lightest.....

Brian

[AutomaticWeapon]

Shawn, your exhaust systen looks like a great deal, thanks for the offer! If it fits a 2V and i'm still in the hunt i'll give you a shout in a week or two. My post was not intended to be a shot, sorry if you took it that way. Thanks in advance for understanding.

Fast Orange, I run a Modular 2V... not the older Explorer motor :) . Currently my car runs 12.0s with VT cams, slicks, and a tube K at 3,050# r/w... add my stock cams and my stock k, with DRs... Who knows??? 12.30s at 2,900# ??

Ken, you are probably right on, mid to mid-bottom 12s with the mods I suggested based on my own car. If all I do is add good heads to my stock shortblock, and get weight to mininum, i'll only run 12.1/3s in f/s trim. Not enough to win, but it will hopefully it's enough to get noticed.

Like I said, I got some thinking to do.

-Mike

[ponie1992]

i can't wait to see how the new rules affect the et's that these cars will produce. i probably wont be able to make a race until BG, so i have all season to prepare. cant wait for bradenton.

[Shawn Johnson]

Shawn, your exhaust systen looks like a great deal, thanks for the offer! If it fits a 2V and i'm still in the hunt i'll give you a shout in a week or two. My post was not intended to be a shot, sorry if you took it that way. Thanks in advance for understanding.



-Mike

I'm not short with you or anyone else but the NMRA... I have lost a lot of respect for the NMRA in what and how they did this change of the FS class.
They could have given the guys that they eliminated more notice... They could have said something at BG to warn us.
They could have at least contacted us directly... In short they could have been a lot more professional about the whole deal....
They have taken a class and completely eliminated the top teams and made their cars useless.. That is what I’m upset about…Now there is now a presidency in the NMRA that if you are able to advance your car and class they will eliminate from competition..
How long till they do the same to the PS class??? Sure makes people think twice about investing in a class..

Shawn

[ponie1992]

shawn,
i dont think it was the NMRA's intent to eliminate the top cars. i believe they are trying to get FS back to it's original intent (more factory or street type cars). i for one like the new rules but i do agree with you that the NMRA went about the changes in the wrong way. there should have been SOME type of advance notice to ALL the racers in the class. i still think it would have pissed alot of people off no matter when they anounced any changes because the changes were so drastic. anyway, good luck luck to you in PS.

[Gray86hatch]

If they wanted to keep the class what it was they should not have opened the rules to allow all the things they did.

FS cars of the last two years did not pop up overnight they have been in progressing for a few years. NMRA could have kept the class what it was 3 years ago and didn't. No one's fault but their own.
But it is now hurting the racers.

It is sad that they have chased so many guys out. But it looks to be opening the door for some new guys to come in.

It is going to be different not seeing mid 11 sec stockers

good luck Shawn in what ever you decide to do see you at the track.

Tim

[ponie1992]

i'm not trying to make excuses for the NMRA. i just think they finally realized that they should have left the class alone along time ago. now they're trying to go back.

[Tim Duncan]

NMRA has let this class go wild from day 1. What started as an entry level heads-up class that anyone could show up and and least have fun and go a round or 2 has become a full time 100% effort to go rounds. NMRA has allowed this class to go faster and use more trick high doller pieces year after year. NMRA then does an about face closes the door on the faces of alot of people in an entry level class who built cars over years of progression spending alot of time and money on trick parts to not only win but most cases just keep up. I hate to see this class get torn apart I wish NMRA would leave the rules alone and not make major changes. Good luck to all who race next year I hope NMRA does not make a major change next year and hurt everyone else.

[90GT398]

I am a fan of how fast you guy's ran with the old rules but couldn't something else been done for the pushrods guy's like maybe a little more cam or something or maybe a GT-40X cylinder head?

Sure is a shame it came to this.