Did you guys see this? (Hints about rules...)

[Steve Moberley]

"NMRA Preliminary Rules to Be Released Next Week

For Immediate Release: 2006 NMRA Preliminary Rules to Be Released Next Week

Orange County, CALIF. – The NMRA-Denso Ford Drag Racing Series 2006 rules are expected to be released within the next week in preliminary form. Once the rules have been formally released there will be a feedback period of ten days, with the final NMRA 2006 rules being set in stone at the end of November.

Most NMRA 2006 eliminators can expect minor changes. In the NMRA’s top classes: DiabloSport Pro 5.0, MSD Super Street Outlaw, ProCharger Renegade, and Edelbrock Hot Street, only minor adjustments are expected. In the Open Comp style classes, another round of minor changes will be implemented, specifically moving the qualifying method to one based on reaction time.

Much more significant changes are to be implemented in K&N Factory Stock and 5.0 Mustang Real Street. Both categories will see some sweeping adjustments. Changes will be implemented to move the NMRA Factory Stock category away from the NHRA-mandated roll-cage e.t. limit of 11.49 and closer to 11.80 second times.

Additional changes will be implemented which will bring the F/S cars closer to real street cars, including the return of standard-style tailpipes and mandating a stock-type sway bar. Real Street will be slowed down to an initial target e.t. range of 10.20-10.30 using a combination of valve spring, retainer, pushrod, blower belt, nitrous jet, and revised weight limits.

The goal of the R/S and F/S adjustments will be to ensure the future of the two categories as entry-level street classes within the NMRA, and to keep them in an e.t. range which permits a competitor to build a vehicle in a manner which avoids the more costly roll cage and safety equipment required with quicker e.t.’s.

Preliminary rules will be released on NMRAracing.com within the week."

That doesn't sound good for the 4V cars to me....

:eek: :D :(

[Chad Bibb]

Dang, better tell Kyle not to put his old 58cc gt40's on ebay just yet...

[Bob Cosby]

Nope, I didn't see that. I have one word to say: WOW!!!

[KenCook]

What could be "Sweeping" to make the class run 11.80's?

[Shawn Johnson]

It sounds like we will have to spend more money to go slower next year!

That is not going to be good.

Shawn

[Jonathan Paulk]

Wow...ummmm...Whoa......mandating a stock-type sway bar...where are we going to get one of those???!!! LOL LOL Does anybody in the class use a stock sway bar?

[Jonathan Paulk]

It sounds like we will have to spend more money to go slower next year!

That is not going to be good.

Shawn

LOL LOL LOL, I know what you mean......LOL LOL LOL

[Ranger50]

Hmm, sounds like a return to regular radials, no skinnies up front, and airbags in the rear springs. Yee-ha. Damn them old days and going back to the original "intent" of the class. :eek:

(Just guessing on all that, since what can they really do that isn't being done now....)

Brian

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

Nothing about P/S i see....But i know it's coming...I better wait before i do anymore stuff to this car.

[Rey]

:eek: :eek: Holy Shnikies

Maybe the 2v will be in the mix now:p

[vrtical]

Time to come join us Shawn :D

[FS MACH1]

it will SWEEP the class , all those not willing to spend money to go
slower , will go elsewhere !!!!!!

[Steve Moberley]

it will SWEEP the class , all those not willing to spend money to go
slower , will go elsewhere !!!!!!

Like, where? LOL!

I wonder if they mean a front or rear swaybar?

I don't think FS was ever required to run regular radials, or forbidden from running skinnies up front.

There was a time when the Fox cars weren't allowed electric fans or battery relocation,though.

I'm thinking I might put off installing the blower kit on my stock LX till I see what they're up to.

Steve

[Jonathan Paulk]

Atleast we will have the rules next week......

[Jon Clifton]

Additional changes will be implemented which will bring the F/S cars closer to real street cars,(

Did anybody else see this! We get to run blowers and nitrous next year!:D

[TMC]

Wow...ummmm...Whoa......mandating a stock-type sway bar...where are we going to get one of those???!!! LOL LOL Does anybody in the class use a stock sway bar?

I do...1.56 best short time out of the first 7 passes on the car.

[TMC]

Well, I'll admit that I did previously writen in and ask that any changes that may be made to FS be made in an effort to keep the class away from the 11.49 safety rules. I will not put a bar in my car simply to run FS so I don't want the rules to allow for faster 5.0 based cars. I also think that I'm not alone in that position. Yes, plenty of people that are already in the class have roll bars and everything else that is required but many more who may run the class in the future do not have nor want to add a bunch of equipment to their car to run in FS. My opinion, like it or not, is that FS needs to stay slower than 11.5's for the appearance to the spectators and to avoid additional rules that must then apply to all competitive vehicles.

[Perky]

Maybe it means sweep the 4vs out the door and put some wieght on the pushrods and bam you have what they are looking for... It's cheap to.. not much cost to the racers..:eek:

[Jeff Swanson]

FOR SALE

Very hard to find, mint condition, rear sway bar off an '88 Mustang LX 5.0, very little use.

$500 plus shipping FIRM

[Perky]

FOR SALE

Very hard to find, mint condition, rear sway bar off an '88 Mustang LX 5.0, very little use.

$500 plus shipping FIRM


Well i got one.. 250 with FREE shipping.. it's pretty firm to

[Brandon Alsept]

Maybe it means sweep the 4vs out the door and put some wieght on the pushrods and bam you have what they are looking for... It's cheap to.. not much cost to the racers..:eek:


So by sweeping the 4Vs out it wouldn't be a huge amount of money lost from the F/S guys(Shawn, Jeff, Carlos, Ryan, + upcoming 4Vs)? Where are they going to race at then without spending alot of money to step up to P/S?

[FS MACH1]

we might as well put stock ABS brakes on and A/C that works
complete factory stereo system and NO BALLAST allowed

stock sway bar and control arms and shocks

why not just add a NEW class SHOWROOM STOCK

OR just add an index and you have Street Stang class

tell me who cares about cars that go 11.80s???? we know they can
do that , they have since 2002!!!!!!

[Bob Cosby]

LOL. I won the 2004 Championship with an A/C, ABS, complete stereo system, stock sway bar, stock quad shocks, non-adjustable boxed control arms, and - you guessed it - air bags. Car looked terrible leaving the line though...

http://members.cox.net/cosbyracing/images/michrace.jpg

Viva la F/S! ;)

Go get em Carlos! :)

[MP John]

Maybe it means sweep the 4vs out the door and put some wieght on the pushrods and bam you have what they are looking for... It's cheap to.. not much cost to the racers..:eek:

Could be some truth in that statement.

NMRA needs to address equalizing a product that hasn't been produced for a decade to current Factory product. So lets drop the push rods and go with modular 2v's and 3 v's only. The class is now a 12 second class and represents what you see at your local T&T night. Lots of people standing at the gate to jump in.









I don't want to see the 4v's or the push rods dropped either. With NMRA, you never know.

[FS MACH1]

So by sweeping the 4Vs out it wouldn't be a huge amount of money lost from the F/S guys(Shawn, Jeff, Carlos, Ryan, + upcoming 4Vs)? Where are they going to race at then without spending alot of money to step up to P/S?


goto PS and spend more money in the NMRA series

i will pass !!!! WHY ???? for them to change rules again
when technology rules again !!!!!

I think" build your car to your OWN rules" my friends
keep telling me is getting CLOSER all the time!!!

[FS MACH1]

LOL. I won the 2004 Championship with an A/C, ABS, complete stereo system, stock sway bar, stock quad shocks, non-adjustable boxed control arms, and - you guessed it - air bags. Car looked terrible leaving the line though...

http://members.cox.net/cosbyracing/images/michrace.jpg

Viva la F/S! ;)

Go get em Carlos! :)


AND FRONT LICENSE PLATE/ Bracket ( in states required)

[Jason Reiss]

No combinations are going to be dropped, boys.

Calm your nerves.

:)

[Shawn Johnson]

No combinations are going to be dropped, boys.

Calm your nerves.

:)

Come on Jason it sounds like you know more then us .... spill it!
Anyone have any dirt on Jason we can threaten him with???:D


I will be more then happy to buy parts to slow my car down if the NMRA is willing to reimburse me for the parts that now will not be allowed..
Like the nice expensive rear sway bar...

Shawn

[Shawn Johnson]

Time to come join us Shawn :D


My calculator is being used as we speak......

I keep seeing too many additional 0's behind the numbers....

[Jason Reiss]

Come on Jason it sounds like you know more then us .... spill it!
Anyone have any dirt on Jason we can threaten him with???:D


I will be more then happy to buy parts to slow my car down if the NMRA is willing to reimburse me for the parts that now will not be allowed..
Like the nice expensive rear sway bar...

Shawn

I do but I can't talk about it.

Sorry, dude. It isn't as bad as you might be imagining.

[Shawn Johnson]

I do but I can't talk about it.

Sorry, dude. It isn't as bad as you might be imagining.


Well that will be good because I am imagining ..very.. bad.. things..:eek: :eek: ;)

[CarlosSobrino]

I still have all the A/C and ABS stuff. The suspension is intact from when Bob won the Championship. Front tag frame is mia though.

[Jonathan Paulk]

Looks like you get to spend less money to go slower....:eek:

[TMC]

I still have all the A/C and ABS stuff. The suspension is intact from when Bob won the Championship. Front tag frame is mia though.

Kinda funny that there is a guy in the background of your picture covering his ears when FS is running:)

[Fast Orange]

Hmm, sounds like a return to regular radials, no skinnies up front, and airbags in the rear springs. Yee-ha. Damn them old days and going back to the original "intent" of the class. :eek:

(Just guessing on all that, since what can they really do that isn't being done now....)

Brian

That sound like a very boring class.... :rolleyes:

[KenCook]

Al covered up those ears for both Carlos and Jeff at that event. lol


Kinda funny that there is a guy in the background of your picture covering his ears when FS is running:)

[Fast Orange]

The Preliminary Rules of last year didn't really mean anything.... The final rules weren't even close to them. uhhhmm 4.10 gear,,,,,,yea right.

[stangfireman]

Come on Jason it sounds like you know more then us .... spill it!
Anyone have any dirt on Jason we can threaten him with???:D


Hmmmmm, I might know a few things to blackmail him with. :D


Bracket racing looks better every time I go to the NMRA board. Closer and alot cheaper. Not to mention $1500 to win. :) Ok, so there's no contingency. But I sure won't have to spend as much. LOL

[Jamie R.]

I can't wait for next week to get a look at these preliminary changes!!!!! Oh yeah, nice pics Bob and my yankee brother:D

Jamie R.
F/S 6500

[Ian Mullane]

Kinda funny that there is a guy in the background of your picture covering his ears when FS is running:)

Have you heard that SLP Loudmouth exhaust?:eek: All I can say is they got the name spot on.

I think Frank made all this up to stimulate the boards a bit. It was getting quiet around here.:p

[Ian Mullane]

I can't wait for next week to get a look at these preliminary changes!!!!! Oh yeah, nice pics Bob and my yankee brother:D

Jamie R.
F/S 6500

Jamie, You aint going no where next year with those twins at home. Welcome to parenthood.:p :D

[KenCook]

I dont know if I could have handled 2.
One little one was beating the snot out of me. :D

Jamie, You aint going no where next year with those twins at home. Welcome to parenthood.:p :D

[Jamie R.]

Those two at home is a good thing!! Ellen keeps telling me I will have the car in Bradenton so she must just want me out of the house

[CarlosSobrino]

Kinda funny that there is a guy in the background of your picture covering his ears when FS is running:)

Troy, wanna really laugh? The guy covering his ears is none less than Al Papitto of BOSS 330. Not even Al imagined how loud his engines were, even funnier was that at that same event Bob Cosby stood behind his Championship Cobra for the first time and he also couldnt believe what we all already knew.. ITS FREAKIN LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tommy D]

So lets see, spec valvesprings? Please not those things from Comp Cams for 4.6 cars! No titanium in the valvetrain? So what do 4.6 cars do? Use stock retainers?? Fk that! There are no steel retainers I'm aware. Pushrods length requirements? No more 'solid' factory lifters huh? Belts dont tell me I have to go to a 6 rib! If so someone better reimburse me for the time and money spent messing with different truck pulley combos! And weight, GD do they not realize weight is the biggest enemy of these entry level cars!?! GForce trans are expensive!!!!! I hope they rethink some of this stuff or I'm out some cash!!!!

[Shawn Johnson]

So lets see, spec valvesprings? Please not those things from Comp Cams for 4.6 cars! No titanium in the valvetrain? So what do 4.6 cars do? Use stock retainers?? Fk that! There are no steel retainers I'm aware. Pushrods length requirements? No more 'solid' factory lifters huh? Belts dont tell me I have to go to a 6 rib! If so someone better reimburse me for the time and money spent messing with different truck pulley combos! And weight, GD do they not realize weight is the biggest enemy of these entry level cars!?! GForce trans are expensive!!!!! I hope they rethink some of this stuff or I'm out some cash!!!!

I here ya..!

It sound like they want to slow the class down a half second....
Thats a lot of weight for all of us....
We already weigh 3400......
You will see nothing but broken parts if weight is added...and how will that help get more cars in.?

Shawn

[Jonathan Paulk]

So lets see, spec valvesprings? Please not those things from Comp Cams for 4.6 cars! No titanium in the valvetrain? So what do 4.6 cars do? Use stock retainers?? Fk that! There are no steel retainers I'm aware. Pushrods length requirements? No more 'solid' factory lifters huh? Belts dont tell me I have to go to a 6 rib! If so someone better reimburse me for the time and money spent messing with different truck pulley combos! And weight, GD do they not realize weight is the biggest enemy of these entry level cars!?! GForce trans are expensive!!!!! I hope they rethink some of this stuff or I'm out some cash!!!!

Ummmmm............have to go to a 6-rib belt....that has always been in the rules.....solid factory lifters????????, the rules say stock factory unmodified lifters, since this class started, in PS and RS, too....who are you?

[Ranger50]

Tommy....

Relax. Don't jump the gun before it's fired.

Brian

[Tommy D]

I was speaking from a R/S point of view, sorry this thread is the only place I found where people are voicing their opinions on the potential changes.
I know to relax but those rules kinda scared me into thinking I spent alot of cash for soon to be illegal parts.
If you don't know the deal with pushrod length on these stock lifter 5.0 class cars, do some homework. It's pretty simple.

[Jonathan Paulk]

I was talking about stock lifters, nothing about pushrod length......

[Steve Moberley]

If you don't know the deal with pushrod length on these stock lifter 5.0 class cars, do some homework. It's pretty simple.

Yeah, and illegal as hell, too.

FS Rules Copy:
1.18b) LIFTERS: Functional, unmodified Ford OEM stock hydraulic roller lifters required.
Any modification to the clip, pushrod cup, piston, spring, or lifter body is not permitted. Hydraulic roller lifters may not be plugged or bottomed.

RS Rules Copy:
1.18b) LIFTERS: Functional, unmodified Ford OEM stock hydraulic roller lifters required.
Rules in section 1.18b) specify LIFTERS: Functional, unmodified Ford OEM stock hydraulic roller lifters required. Any modification to the clip, pushrod cup, piston, spring , or lifter body is not permitted. Hydraulic roller lifters may not be plugged or bottomed.

:eek: :eek:

[vrtical]

I still haven't figured out how they are gonna slow a 4V down .5. Adding weight isn't an option given what weight they are at now. Valvetrain changes won't do it. Maybe compression ???

[Tommy D]

I was talking about stock lifters, nothing about pushrod length......

Sorry guys I worded my first post wrong it should have said: Pushrods length requirements? Guess no extra long pushrods to make those 'solid' factory lifters huh? I know modifying the lifters is illegal but there are 'variables'.

My bad

[Ian Mullane]

I still haven't figured out how they are gonna slow a 4V down .5. Maybe compression ???


Can you say $$$$$$$$. A good set of F/S prepped heads isn't inexpensive. We should see this week. I'm not even going to attempt to assume what they are going to do.

[Bob Cosby]

If they do indeed plan to get folks back to the 11.8s, its going to take some SIGNIFICANT changes to the 4Vs (and to the top 5.0s too, I might add). I was only a bit over a tenth away from that in 2002 with bolt-ons (12.02 with no internal work at all) at 3450 lbs.

How do you do this? Don't know....increase the cc requirement? Spec pistons (ala NHRA S/E)? No 03+ heads (there go the Machs)? Require stock exhaust logs? Don't know what else they could do outside of adding weight (very, very bad idea).

Guess they could mandate a silly gear like 3.73s....that would be the cheap route, but damn that would suck.

[Chad Bibb]

Guess they could mandate a silly gear like 3.73s....that would be the cheap route, but damn that would suck.

It's funny you mention that Bob, Kyle has a new set of 3.73's sitting his garage that came in some trading he did recently. He was gonna throw them in a 93 Cobra he's resurrecting from poor treatment from previous owner. He decided not to put them in it and just leave it stock. I mentioned he might wanna hold on to them before selling them because we might could use them for something. I hope it doesnt come down to that either...but at least we got a set waiting. And the cc deal, that would really suck, we waited over 3 months to get a new set done w/ 52cc.

[Fast Orange]

It's funny you mention that Bob, Kyle has a new set of 3.73's sitting his garage that came in some trading he did recently. He was gonna throw them in a 93 Cobra he's resurrecting from poor treatment from previous owner. He decided not to put them in it and just leave it stock. I mentioned he might wanna hold on to them before selling them because we might could use them for something. I hope it doesnt come down to that either...but at least we got a set waiting. And the cc deal, that would really suck, we waited over 3 months to get a new set done w/ 52cc.

Uuumm... I think Bob was refering to the 4V's.

[Chad Bibb]

I know. :) But if a pushrod finds a way to go consistant say 11.50-60's and the mods are slowed w/ 3.73's to 11.80's and are stuck, what are they to do then? And who says we won't switch over to 4v power.:D Kyle's been doing ALOT of trading lately, aquired quite a few things.;) I guess what I was saying with my previous post meant we're anxiously awaiting the new rules, got a ton of parts laying around that maybe used for next year, then again, may go up for sale and head for a different class.