Joliet Real Street attendance

[Bruce Hemminger]

Who all is coming?

1. Bruce Hemminger
2. Mike Washington
3. Mike Bell is going to make it. Nice to hear he is going to make it.
4. Jim Coger
5. Dave Ginter
6. Tim Matherly
7. Jim Breese
8. Brian McCormick
9. Kevin Scott
Shawn is racing P/S
Ken B will be out for Columbus
Paul Alfeo told me he will not make it.

[KenB]

Who all is coming?

1. Bruce Hemminger
2. Mike Washington
3. Mike Bell is going to make it. Nice to hear he is going to make it.
4. Jim Coger
Brian McCormick?
Tim?
Jim?
Shawn? P/S?
Ken B?
Kevin Scott?
Dave Ginter?
Paul Alfeo told me he will not make it.


I'm still coming out, but won't be ready till Columbus or BG. It will be out this year though.


Ken

[Shawn Johnson]

I will not be in RS at Joliet.

Ken/Steve and I are merging our RS programs together. My power plant is finishing up being repaired while Ken is finishing the new chassis. As Ken said it is still coming out but I am less and less interested in this class after the latest penalty to our combo. I can not see the reason for 100# penalty against us. I’m trying to find out from the NMRA why we got hit. Looking at the numbers from everyone I thought things were good for now. I would like something (Weight lowered) to help the Paxton 2v combo but we need to get to test more so we have some data to discuss with the NMRA first.

[Bruce Hemminger]

I will not be in RS at Joliet.

Ken/Steve and I are merging our RS programs together. My power plant is finishing up being repaired while Ken is finishing the new chassis. As Ken said it is still coming out but I am less and less interested in this class after the latest penalty to our combo. I can not see the reason for 100# penalty against us. I’m trying to find out from the NMRA why we got hit. Looking at the numbers from everyone I thought things were good for now. I would like something (Weight lowered) to help the Paxton 2v combo but we need to get to test more so we have some data to discuss with the NMRA first.

Shawn,

Not trying to be an a$$ to you, but since you and Tim equalized your blowers last year and the rules were changed for that reason. These mid season rules were adjusted to both you and Tim. I do not think you you can say anything as long as Tim is faster then you since you are equal.

Hope you guys get it all worked out. Hope to see you in Joliet.

[Shawn Johnson]

Shawn,

Not trying to be an a$$ to you, but since you and Tim equalized your blowers last year and the rules were changed for that reason. These mid season rules were adjusted to both you and Tim. I do not think you you can say anything as long as Tim is faster then you since you are equal.

Hope you guys get it all worked out. Hope to see you in Joliet.

You are right... we used all the info we had to equalize the "boost" between the two blowers at the rpm we were running at that time (which has changed with the new gear rule).
Does equal PEAK boost equate to equal HP? One blower is a lot bigger then the other and makes the same boost by turning slower with less drag on the engine. One blower will hold that boost out longer and hold the HP longer. These are just some of the data we are trying to collect to see if we need and can get a weight change.
I am new to this blower stuff so I’m trying to learn as fast as I can.
Now as far as these rules changes go there was no reason for the weight swing as far as I could see.
Bruce you won your first race out and then got 100# swing added to the combo you beat. Seems to me your combo was more “equal” to Tim then mine…

[Robin]

You cannot equalize drivers. I think that on that day at that track Bruce drove his combination "all out" With the numbers that Tim was putting up in the 1/8 and 1/4 he clearly wasn't able to capitalize THAT DAY.

Tim has proven his abilities time after time. It seems that maybe he had a bad day.

Lets see what Tim and Jim have, my guess is that like most good racers they will work on their combination and get back to the top.
It's nice to see the mod motor combination have to make a change for once. It seemed that the world revolved around that combination and all the other cobinations had to adjust around them. That is why so many people have exited the class.
It's not worth the cost involved to run crap combinations that are hard on parts.

Have a great day boys!

Robin

[Bruce Hemminger]

You are right... we used all the info we had to equalize the "boost" between the two blowers at the rpm we were running at that time (which has changed with the new gear rule).
Does equal PEAK boost equate to equal HP? One blower is a lot bigger then the other and makes the same boost by turning slower with less drag on the engine. One blower will hold that boost out longer and hold the HP longer. These are just some of the data we are trying to collect to see if we need and can get a weight change.
I am new to this blower stuff so I’m trying to learn as fast as I can.
Now as far as these rules changes go there was no reason for the weight swing as far as I could see.
Bruce you won your first race out and then got 100# swing added to the combo you beat. Seems to me your combo was more “equal” to Tim then mine…

Shawn,

Winning my first race has ZERO to do with rules needing to be adjusted. I won with a 3.99 330 et against an oponent that went 4.07 and has been 3.95. You may say that the 4.07 was because the weather conditions and less power. BS!!! Look at the back half incrementals from Florida to Milan (Thank you Live Timing). They are not that far off. So was 100 lb swing justified. HELL YES!!!

I can not wait to see what is going to happen to the 4.6L grey area rules in 2009. The rule that states specific numbers on the pushrod engine but not the 4.6L....

[Bruce Hemminger]

You cannot equalize drivers. I think that on that day at that track Bruce drove his combination "all out" With the numbers that Tim was putting up in the 1/8 and 1/4 he clearly wasn't able to capitalize THAT DAY.

Tim has proven his abilities time after time. It seems that maybe he had a bad day.

Lets see what Tim and Jim have, my guess is that like most good racers they will work on their combination and get back to the top.
It's nice to see the mod motor combination have to make a change for once. It seemed that the world revolved around that combination and all the other cobinations had to adjust around them. That is why so many people have exited the class.
It's not worth the cost involved to run crap combinations that are hard on parts.

Have a great day boys!

Robin


Robin,

You are exactly correct. I can appreciate an experienced outside opinion to the happenings in R/S. Hope all is going well for you. Hope to see you in Joliet.

[Shawn Johnson]

You cannot equalize drivers. I think that on that day at that track Bruce drove his combination "all out" With the numbers that Tim was putting up in the 1/8 and 1/4 he clearly wasn't able to capitalize THAT DAY.

Tim has proven his abilities time after time. It seems that maybe he had a bad day.

Lets see what Tim and Jim have, my guess is that like most good racers they will work on their combination and get back to the top.
It's nice to see the mod motor combination have to make a change for once. It seemed that the world revolved around that combination and all the other cobinations had to adjust around them. That is why so many people have exited the class.
It's not worth the cost involved to run crap combinations that are hard on parts.

Have a great day boys!

Robin


Why is it that when a mod team in any class gets hit with a weight penalty you guys say “a good team will work harder and get back on top”? why don’t you say this to the 5.0L teams. 5.0L blowers were given a pulley and NOS was given more jet. Mod was given more weight last year and this year.
Now the NOS car runs one race this season, wins and then gets a weight swing. The 5.0L blower cars seem to be running better and better.
So… Robin why don’t you tell the other teams to work on their stuff.
As far as running hard on parts.. The mod motors seams to be running through their share of parts.
All I asked was to show me the data to support the changes.

[Shawn Johnson]

Shawn,

I can not wait to see what is going to happen to the 4.6L grey area rules in 2009. The rule that states specific numbers on the pushrod engine but not the 4.6L....

So your the one starting all the talk about that.

[Bruce Hemminger]

Why is it that when a mod team in any class gets hit with a weight penalty you guys say “a good team will work harder and get back on top”? why don’t you say this to the 5.0L teams. 5.0L blowers were given a pulley and NOS was given more jet. Mod was given more weight last year and this year.
Now the NOS car runs one race this season, wins and then gets a weight swing. The 5.0L blower cars seem to be running better and better.
So… Robin why don’t you tell the other teams to work on their stuff.
As far as running hard on parts.. The mod motors seams to be running through their share of parts.
All I asked was to show me the data to support the changes.

I guess you really do not understand incrementals do you Shawn. 3.99 vs 4.07...... that is parity right???? That is the typical mod motor guy talking.... We can't 60ft with the pushrod guys....We can't 60ft/330ft with the nitrous guys..... BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!

HERE IS THE DATA YOU ARE ASKING FOR.

1. 3.99 vs 4.07 is atleast a tenth or more in the 1/4. Especially since the combo has gone 3.95
2. You and Tim equallized your blowers last year. Sorry to say, but you shot yourself in the foot. It would not make sense to me if a rule was changed for the 4.6L Paxton/Vortech cars and not the 4.6L Procharger combo's. You guys made them equal.

[Robin]

Why is it that when a mod team in any class gets hit with a weight penalty you guys say “a good team will work harder and get back on top”? why don’t you say this to the 5.0L teams. 5.0L blowers were given a pulley and NOS was given more jet. Mod was given more weight last year and this year.
Now the NOS car runs one race this season, wins and then gets a weight swing. The 5.0L blower cars seem to be running better and better.
So… Robin why don’t you tell the other teams to work on their stuff.
As far as running hard on parts.. The mod motors seams to be running through their share of parts.
All I asked was to show me the data to support the changes.


Waa Waa Waa, all I hear is that about all the reasons whey the mod motors need this or that. Hey if you want to run that chain saw motor then don't expect to get the world handed to you. It's not a race inspired design.

Shawn, while you were winning a championship in Factory Stock WE WERE going back and working on our stuff. When my fellow racers would call me and complain about the disparity (Cough Bruce Cough) in the rules I said "you need to go find more power" Wel Shawn guess what, I was wrong, Bruce was right. And Brian, and Craig, and Justin and all the other guys who suffered in silence. OK not so silent LOL
The rules that we were handed were obviously developed by a sadist with little or NO racing background. A person who has never completed, raced, broken and then raced again.
C'mon, valve spring rules, clutch rules, gears for different combinations. All these changes have taken away from the original intent of Steve Turner. I don't know ANYONE with such a screwed up combination as we were expected to run 2 years ago.
This class was so cool because it allwed us to use components that the everyday guy would use on his street car. Sponsors liked it because we ran their parts. Spectators liked it because this nutty group of guys were going about 1 second faster than we should be, Steve Turner had a Love/Hate deal because we put on a good show but we totally ruined his intent by going into the 9's.
I was blessed with a oppotunity, while I have made few runs I don't miss the politics involed with an ignorant rules maker.

Robin

[KenB]

Waa Waa Waa, all I hear is that about all the reasons whey the mod motors need this or that. Hey if you want to run that chain saw motor then don't expect to get the world handed to you. It's not a race inspired design.


You're funny. Why is it that we are racing with less displacement and more weight and still winning races then? Does it suck to lose to a chainsaw non race inspired design? I bet it does.

[Bruce Hemminger]

So your the one starting all the talk about that.

Shawn,

I am not the one that started it, but I think the rule is BULL$HIT!!!! It is as grey as it gets.

1. Do I want the pushrod rule change??? HELL NO!!! This is a rule that make Real Street what it is.
2. Would I like the 4.6L rule changed? It sure would save me some money to have to buy those custom pieces for next year:eek:

[Shawn Johnson]

I guess you really do not understand incrementals do you Shawn. 3.99 vs 4.07...... that is parity right???? That is the typical mod motor guy talking.... We can't 60ft with the pushrod guys....We can't 60ft/330ft with the nitrous guys..... BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!

HERE IS THE DATA YOU ARE ASKING FOR.

1. 3.99 vs 4.07 is atleast a tenth or more in the 1/4. Especially since the combo has gone 3.95
2. You and Tim equallized your blowers last year. Sorry to say, but you shot yourself in the foot. It would not make sense to me if a rule was changed for the 4.6L Paxton/Vortech cars and not the 4.6L Procharger combo's. You guys made them equal.


When has Tim’s combo went 3.95? I think he went 3.96 in Florida and if your trying to compare Tim’s Florida times to your Michigan times... you were not even at Florida so what would you have been able to do? You can't compare any run from Florida where everyone knows the conditions were GREAT to any other event. Tim was well tested before Florida and the rest of us were still working on our stuff. Hell the 5.0L guys just got a blower change and we all live where testing is none existent till spring.

You went 70s last year and were given a lot of jet and went 70s this year and now given 100#s.. Seems unjustified to me…

Tim my have went 39? in Florida when the conditions were great for it but you went 39? in Michigan when the conditions were not and Tim was back to his normal 40? number.

and do you seriously think that your combo and a blower combo should run the same numbers from start to finish. Where does your motor HP peak and what RPM do you use, what does your torque look like… these tings are not even close between the two combos how do you expect them to run the same numbers?
I’m not picking an argument but I like these discussions because I learn a lot so I am asking for honest answers..
and Robin you can take you holier then thou attitude and …..
When I came on here I asked for the reason for the change and not any “Waa..Waaa modulars need this” crap...

[Bruce Hemminger]

:DWhen has Tim’s combo went 3.95? I think he went 3.96 in Florida and if your trying to compare Tim’s Florida times to your Michigan times... you were not even at Florida so what would you have been able to do? You can't compare any run from Florida where everyone knows the conditions were GREAT to any other event. Tim was well tested before Florida and the rest of us were still working on our stuff. Hell the 5.0L guys just got a blower change and we all live where testing is none existent till spring.

Tim has gone 3.95. He did against Brian McCormick in the semi's. I agree you can not compare them. I am only stating that he has and CAN go that quick. Everyone knows that Tim's car was off for one reason or another in Milan. My car was off when I got there. I made adjustments to the track and what do you know.... The wheels were in the air and the 60/330 ets came around. Watch the videos. Tim's car barely pick up the front tires. Tim is known for big wheelstands. They were not there in Milan.

You went 70s last year and were given a lot of jet and went 70s this year and now given 100#s.. Seems unjustified to me…

Please tell me where. I was not driving the car. I NEVER went 70's last year. Keep trying though:D

Tim my have went 39? in Florida when the conditions were great for it but you went 39? in Michigan when the conditions were not and Tim was back to his normal 40? number.

You can believe what you want. The back half et's were not that different to say the power was down. Look at the mph. 140.95 (milan) vs 141.84 (Bradenton). You can not be that stupid to think that the 4.07 was as quick as Tim's car could have gone. His car almost never picked up the tires all weekend!!!!

and do you seriously think that your combo and a blower combo should run the same numbers from start to finish. Where does your motor HP peak and what RPM do you use, what does your torque look like… these tings are not even close between the two combos how do you expect them to run the same numbers?
I’m not picking an argument but I like these discussions because I learn a lot so I am asking for honest answers..
and Robin you can take you holier then thou attitude and …..
When I came on here I asked for the reason for the change and not any “Waa..Waaa modulars need this” crap...

Hell yes I feel that the blower can run the same as I do. We all have the same shitty diaphram clutch rule. So until you want to give me a real clutch so that I can take advantage of the torque that I make. I should be allowed to make the same power/back half like a blower car. Give me a real clutch and I will gladly add 100 lbs.

Remember just like in D/R. When the nitrous cars were always scrutinized that they could 60ft so much better then that of the blower/turbo cars. Talk about a crock!!!! Well Kurgan has gone 1.29 60ft in competition/qualifying. The limitation is the tire/clutch in our classes. Not the power adder.


Yes I enjoy the discussion/ TEACHING (LOL!!!!) we are having.

[Bruce Hemminger]

I’m not picking an argument but I like these discussions because I learn a lot so I am asking for honest answers

Now stop holding back!!! I need some of that Modular knowledge!!!!! I am as green as it gets when it comes to the 4.6L Mod motors.

[Shawn Johnson]

Tim has gone 3.95. He did against Brian McCormick in the semi's. I agree you can not compare them. I am only stating that he CAN go that quick. Everyone knows that Tim's car was off for one reason or another. My car was off when I got there. I made adjustments to the track and what do you know.... The wheels were in the air and the 60/330 ets came around. Watch the videos. Tim's car barely pick up the front tires. Tim is known for big wheelstands. They were not there in Milan.


OK.. Tim went 3.95 one time in Florida in great conditions and now your are saying he should be able to do it anywhere? Now as far as Tim’s final numbers against you… they look to be the same as he always runs.. Florida seems to be a one time deal for everyone… Even Racepages made a big deal about how great the conditions were for good numbers. So since you were not there … you can’t compare anything he did there to what you did in MI… That’s is not a apples to apples comparison..



Please tell me where. I was not driving the car. I NEVER went 70's last year. Keep trying though:D

I thought you did… what did you run last year? … and how many jet sizes did they give you for this year?


You can believe what you want. The back half et's were not that different to say the power was down. Look at the mph. 140.95 (mila) vs 141.84 (Bradenton). You can not be that stupid to think that the 4.07 was as quick as Tim's car could have gone. His car almost never picked up the tires all weekend!!!!

Bruce… don’t call me stupid or any other shit like that… try having an adult conversation…
You went 140 multiple times last season and 138 in Milan. You were given more jet since last year.. Are you telling me that meant nothing to your combo?








Hell yes I feel that the blower can run the same as I do. We all have the same shitty diaphram clutch rule. So until you want to give me a real clutch so that I can take advantage of the torque that I make. I should be allowed to make the same power/back half like a blower car. Give me a real clutch and I will gladly add 100 lbs.


You lost me here…. You have a lot more torque then a 2v blower and make all your power down low which helps you get off the line better then a 2v sc that makes everything up high and no torque… clutch to clutch you still can move from a stop better. We need a better clutch to help us launch at the higher rpm and not pull it out of the power..



Yes I enjoy the discussion/ TEACHING (LOL!!!!) we are having


I’m all about learning…. I still don’t know what “LOL” means… Does that mean you love me???

[Shawn Johnson]

Now stop holding back!!! I need some of that Modular knowledge!!!!! I am as green as it gets when it comes to the 4.6L Mod motors.

Ask me I'll tell you....

[Robin]

You're funny. Why is it that we are racing with less displacement and more weight and still winning races then? Does it suck to lose to a chainsaw non race inspired design? I bet it does.

LOL yeah, the last time that ran a long stroke small bore combination it was the Ford Flathead. So your saying we should go back there bit put the cam in the head and call it "progress". I am not drinking that Kool Aid.

You need to research the rules a bit Kenny, because of the inherent shortfalls on that engine they have allways enjoyed/needed help to make them competitive.;)

And it sucks to get beat by any combination, but it sucks to lose when the rules are slanted towards an iferior combination. Then to top it off a driver such as Tim can really make it hurt Hahaha.


Robin

[Bruce Hemminger]

OK.. Tim went 3.95 one time in Florida in great conditions and now your are saying he should be able to do it anywhere? Now as far as Tim’s final numbers against you… they look to be the same as he always runs.. Florida seems to be a one time deal for everyone… Even Racepages made a big deal about how great the conditions were for good numbers. So since you were not there … you can’t compare anything he did there to what you did in MI… That’s is not a apples to apples comparison..



I thought you did… what did you run last year? … and how many jet sizes did they give you for this year?


Bruce… don’t call me stupid or any other shit like that… try having an adult conversation…
You went 140 multiple times last season and 138 in Milan. You were given more jet since last year.. Are you telling me that meant nothing to your combo?








You lost me here…. You have a lot more torque then a 2v blower and make all your power down low which helps you get off the line better then a 2v sc that makes everything up high and no torque… clutch to clutch you still can move from a stop better. We need a better clutch to help us launch at the higher rpm and not pull it out of the power..




I’m all about learning…. I still don’t know what “LOL” means… Does that mean you love me???

Shawn I am only saying that Tim should have gone faster to the 330 then he did in Milan. I am NOT comparing my run in Milan against his run in Florida!!!!!! I am comparing his run from both races. The 1/8 to 1/4 diff between the two races is ONLY!!!!! .01

3000 ft of DA better should equate to more then that. Wouldn't you say so?
(500 ft Florida vs 3500 ft Milan)

Sorry if you thought I was calling you Stupid. I was just using the phrase. You are a very talented racer and I respect you very much.

As far as the 139mph from last year. They were bogus because of my Ram Air scoop. Mike washington proved that in BG when he went 139 with the same air scoop. The big difference between Mine and Mike's 139 mph to Tim's mph was mike and I did it at 108 mph in the 1/8. Tim did it at I believe 112 mph. Now who's do you think was real. Plus you also have to understand that when you compare my runs with a 136/137 mph at the same track you should see a decrease in the back half incrementals when you have an increase in mph. About .01 for every mph. there were zero changes.

[Mike Washington]

Is this the RS forum or FS.............

I feel left out! But I will say Live Timing is a WONDERFUL thing..............



I am a happy little clam, La La La..........


See yous guys in The Windy City ;)


Laters

Mike Washington

[Bruce Hemminger]

Is this the RS forum or FS.............

I feel left out! But I will say Live Timing is a WONDERFUL thing..............



I am a happy little clam, La La La..........


See yous guys in The Windy City ;)


Laters

Mike Washington

Live timing is a wonderful thing!!!!!

Deb and I are excited to have you and some of the JPC guys stay with us during Joliet. I have Gene sending me some of his famous brew just for you!!!! :D:D

[Shawn Johnson]

[QUOTE=Bruce Hemminger;19628]Shawn I am only saying that Tim should have gone faster to the 330 then he did in Milan. I am NOT comparing my run in Milan against his run in Florida!!!!!! I am comparing his run from both races. The 1/8 to 1/4 diff between the two races is ONLY!!!!! .01

3000 ft of DA better should equate to more then that. Wouldn't you say so?
(500 ft Florida vs 3500 ft Milan)



QUOTE]

So what I think your still saying is since Tim ran a 395 in Florida he should be able to do that repeatedly from here on out? And that tells you that he has what ET in his car?

[Robin]

QUOTE]

So what I think your still saying is since Tim ran a 395 in Florida he should be able to do that repeatedly from here on out? And that tells you that he has what ET in his car?[/QUOTE]


Well he certainly seems to have the power.......... now maybe he just missed his shift points;)

Mikey, I completely forgot about that part you wanted. Give me a call.


Robin

[Gene Hindman]

Did someone mention my name????:D

[Bruce Hemminger]

Did someone mention my name????:D

YES. I need some of that .600 light special brew that you have. Send some up ASAP!!! Mike Washington will be staying with Deb and I during Joliet and I think I can slip some in his drinks and before you know it he will be guzzling it!!! LOL!!!:D

[Dave Ginter]

To answer the original question, yes I plan on being in Joliet since it is only 2 1/2 hours from me. As for the rest of the year, we'll have to wait and see. I haven't been racing long enough to have an opinion that really matters regarding the rules, but I do think I'm smart enough to know that there are other "influences" that effect the changes other than just what the data says.

I'm sure you all can remember what it was like to be a rookie and feel like you're fighting an uphill battle. Yes, I feel like the hill just got that much steeper. I don't feel, however, that the extra weight I have to now carry is going to make or break MY program. I've set goals for myself and the weight swing won't change what I need to do. Hell, Milan was the first time I actually used all four gears!:p

My amateur opinion is that you have to give a lot of merrit to who is behind the wheel and what they do every day. I run the same combination as Tim and Jim and everyone has seen what I have (or have not) been able to do with it. I haven't been doing this half my life, and I don't build motors and tune cars for a living. I'd be a fool to think that I could slap together the same combo and do what they are doing with it. I know nobody could walk into my world and do what I do everyday as well as I can. I don't want to speak for anybody, but I do know that everyone (including the points leaders) work their asses off to do so much with so little.

Regardless, the debate is entertaining and I'm having a blast while I'm figuring it all out. Thanks to everyone I've talked to for their help and support. I'll see you all in Joliet.

Dave

[Gene Hindman]

YES. I need some of that .600 light special brew that you have. Send some up ASAP!!! Mike Washington will be staying with Deb and I during Joliet and I think I can slip some in his drinks and before you know it he will be guzzling it!!! LOL!!!:D

I know Mike well enough, that you wont have to "slip" him any, just wave it in front of his face like candy.
I don't know if anyone around here is headed that direction though, might be kinda tough to get it there.

[Biff]

I'm sure you all can remember what it was like to be a rookie and feel like you're fighting an uphill battle. Yes, I feel like the hill just got that much steeper. I don't feel, however, that the extra weight I have to now carry is going to make or break MY program. I've set goals for myself and the weight swing won't change what I need to do. Hell, Milan was the first time I actually used all four gears!:p

My amateur opinion is that you have to give a lot of merrit to who is behind the wheel and what they do every day. I run the same combination as Tim and Jim and everyone has seen what I have (or have not) been able to do with it. I haven't been doing this half my life, and I don't build motors and tune cars for a living. I'd be a fool to think that I could slap together the same combo and do what they are doing with it. I know nobody could walk into my world and do what I do everyday as well as I can. I don't want to speak for anybody, but I do know that everyone (including the points leaders) work their asses off to do so much with so little.

Dave
That's a great post, very well said, and that mindset is often completely overlooked after a race or two.
Good luck in Joliet!!

..now back to the F/S section ;)

[Bruce Hemminger]

To answer the original question, yes I plan on being in Joliet since it is only 2 1/2 hours from me. As for the rest of the year, we'll have to wait and see. I haven't been racing long enough to have an opinion that really matters regarding the rules, but I do think I'm smart enough to know that there are other "influences" that effect the changes other than just what the data says.

I'm sure you all can remember what it was like to be a rookie and feel like you're fighting an uphill battle. Yes, I feel like the hill just got that much steeper. I don't feel, however, that the extra weight I have to now carry is going to make or break MY program. I've set goals for myself and the weight swing won't change what I need to do. Hell, Milan was the first time I actually used all four gears!:p

My amateur opinion is that you have to give a lot of merrit to who is behind the wheel and what they do every day. I run the same combination as Tim and Jim and everyone has seen what I have (or have not) been able to do with it. I haven't been doing this half my life, and I don't build motors and tune cars for a living. I'd be a fool to think that I could slap together the same combo and do what they are doing with it. I know nobody could walk into my world and do what I do everyday as well as I can. I don't want to speak for anybody, but I do know that everyone (including the points leaders) work their asses off to do so much with so little.

Regardless, the debate is entertaining and I'm having a blast while I'm figuring it all out. Thanks to everyone I've talked to for their help and support. I'll see you all in Joliet.

Dave


Glad to here you are going to be in Joliet. Good post. Very good points. Have you ever raced at Joliet? Get ready for the best track surface/facility we have ever raced on!!!!!

[briank@afm]

Damn Brucey, you ask for a simple roll call and you get blasted:eek:

[Bruce Hemminger]

Damn Brucey, you ask for a simple roll call and you get blasted:eek:

I don't look at it as being blasted. Shawn and I had a good discussion. He may not see my point, and I may not see his. So we can agree to disagree. No hard feelings.

I wonder if the Modular guys know that the nitrous 5.0L combination is not the one to be concerned about. It is the combination that went 9.50's before they got a 100 lb swing to there advantage:103: I wonder if that would have anything to do with those other "influeces" that Dave Ginter was just talking about!

[mv performance]

Now Brucey you are beginning to see the light. See you in Joliet!!

Lisa

[mv performance]

I guess we can all be glad that Meyer is in semi-retirement right now. Not that I don't miss seeing them>

[Bruce Hemminger]

Now Brucey you are beginning to see the light. See you in Joliet!!

Lisa
I guess we can all be glad that Meyer is in semi-retirement right now. Not that I don't miss seeing them>

I agree 100%!!!!!

[stangman98]

To answer the original question, yes I plan on being in Joliet since it is only 2 1/2 hours from me. As for the rest of the year, we'll have to wait and see. I haven't been racing long enough to have an opinion that really matters regarding the rules, but I do think I'm smart enough to know that there are other "influences" that effect the changes other than just what the data says.

I'm sure you all can remember what it was like to be a rookie and feel like you're fighting an uphill battle. Yes, I feel like the hill just got that much steeper. I don't feel, however, that the extra weight I have to now carry is going to make or break MY program. I've set goals for myself and the weight swing won't change what I need to do. Hell, Milan was the first time I actually used all four gears!:p

My amateur opinion is that you have to give a lot of merrit to who is behind the wheel and what they do every day. I run the same combination as Tim and Jim and everyone has seen what I have (or have not) been able to do with it. I haven't been doing this half my life, and I don't build motors and tune cars for a living. I'd be a fool to think that I could slap together the same combo and do what they are doing with it. I know nobody could walk into my world and do what I do everyday as well as I can. I don't want to speak for anybody, but I do know that everyone (including the points leaders) work their asses off to do so much with so little.

Regardless, the debate is entertaining and I'm having a blast while I'm figuring it all out. Thanks to everyone I've talked to for their help and support. I'll see you all in Joliet.

Dave


Excellent post Dave. What I think is interesting is that you have guys on here that have been doing this alot longer with more vested interest then someone like Dave has, but you don't see him getting on all the boards bitching about it. Just remember, someone like Dave who has been running in the 10.teens is getting just as much of a screw job as Tim, Shawn, Jim, ect. and he doesn't even have half the resources that most have. Now that the rules have come out and are in place there are two choices to make...race or stay home. Complaining about it the rest of the season isn't going to do anyone anygood.
Dave swing by if you get a chance while you are at 66. I am running MM and will be camping at the track all weekend.

[Bruce Hemminger]

Excellent post Dave. What I think is interesting is that you have guys on here that have been doing this alot longer with more vested interest then someone like Dave has, but you don't see him getting on all the boards bitching about it. Just remember, someone like Dave who has been running in the 10.teens is getting just as much of a screw job as Tim, Shawn, Jim, ect. and he doesn't even have half the resources that most have. Now that the rules have come out and are in place there are two choices to make...race or stay home. Complaining about it the rest of the season isn't going to do anyone anygood.
Dave swing by if you get a chance while you are at 66. I am running MM and will be camping at the track all weekend.

Bruce is spelled B_R_U_C_E not "etc" ROTFLMAO

Very nice post Damon. Complaining about rules on the internet will get you nowhere!!!!

When you going to race Real Street? I thought that was your plans? Or am I mistaken?

[stangman98]

Bruce is spelled B_R_U_C_E not "etc" ROTFLMAO

Very nice post Damon. Complaining about rules on the internet will get you nowhere!!!!

When you going to race Real Street? I thought that was your plans? Or am I mistaken?

It was in my plans. Bought a house last year, almost sold the car this year. Just too many other bills to deal with, can't afford to build a new combo and since I really want to do it with a 2V N2O combo :021:
If I can get stuff together in the next couple of years, maybe in '10 I can run with the big dogs. Damn, I can't even afford a hotel this year :021: So I am coming to Joliet driving the car with the tent loaded in the front seat. Just to run MM for one event :)

[briank@afm]

I agree 100%!!!!!

Yep, these rules look good:082:

Ordered the new bullet with spare a week ago:103:

See y'all real soon!

[Bruce Hemminger]

Yep, these rules look good:082:

Ordered the new bullet with spare a week ago:103:

See y'all real soon!

I know a white 86 mustang w/blue stripes chassis that is available for rent:D


or


A short Ford Sales Manager that can shift pretty good that is for hire:D

[Bruce Hemminger]

It was in my plans. Bought a house last year, almost sold the car this year. Just too many other bills to deal with, can't afford to build a new combo and since I really want to do it with a 2V N2O combo :021:
If I can get stuff together in the next couple of years, maybe in '10 I can run with the big dogs. Damn, I can't even afford a hotel this year :021: So I am coming to Joliet driving the car with the tent loaded in the front seat. Just to run MM for one event :)


Bought a house and almost sold the car..... Wow does that sound familiar. I almost did the same thing. Thank God I kept the car. Keep at it though. If R/S is were you want to be then you will find a way. Good luck in M/M.

[briank@afm]

Awe, "we"'ve still got the car:110:

but

If Meyer can't come out to play, I'll give ya a call. :022:

[Dave Ginter]

Ha, ha, you're right Bruce, it's not just you, there's a little maroon coupe I'd keep my eye on:shocked:

Thanks Damon, I'll find you. Good luck in MM!

[Bruce Hemminger]

Ha, ha, you're right Bruce, it's not just you, there's a little maroon coupe I'd keep my eye on:shocked:

Thanks Damon, I'll find you. Good luck in MM!


On that race track. I'll bet that the maroon coupe and/or blue coupe will go 9.50's

Anyone for a hundred???????

[stangman98]

On that race track. I'll bet that the maroon coupe and/or blue coupe will go 9.50's

Anyone for a hundred???????

Just gotta stir that pot don't ya
:daw:

[briank@afm]

That's a sucker's bet, bwaahaahaa

[fiveohpatrol]

to somewhat get the thread back on topic, Kevin will be there too.

Dave, you bringing the green car too? :)

[Bruce Hemminger]

to somewhat get the thread back on topic, Kevin will be there too.

Dave, you bringing the green car too? :)

That is great news to here that Kevin is going to make it!!!!

[Dave Ginter]

I've been so busy trying to get the "yella" car ready that we haven't done much with anything else. We'll get it out eventually and who knows, with these rules, maybe with a pushrod in it! :wink:

[stangman98]

I've been so busy trying to get the "yella" car ready that we haven't done much with anything else. We'll get it out eventually and who knows, with these rules, maybe with a pushrod in it! :wink:

How bout racing the Saleen in Mod Motor while you are at it? Or just giving me all the stuff and showing you how it's done :reddevil:

[Bruce Hemminger]

I spoke with Mike Bell last night. He is having head gasket issues and tryingto get it back together for Joliet. Keep your fingers crossed that he can make it. It would be nice to see him back in Real Street competition.

[briank@afm]

I talked to Meyer on Saturday, he was getting the trailer ready to go.:064:

[Frank Peterson]

It looks like things haven't changed much with rules/combos debates....hoping to get out Sat/Sun with my kids...put on a good show!

[Jim Coger]

Why is it that when a mod team in any class gets hit with a weight penalty you guys say “a good team will work harder and get back on top”? why don’t you say this to the 5.0L teams. 5.0L blowers were given a pulley and NOS was given more jet. Mod was given more weight last year and this year.
Now the NOS car runs one race this season, wins and then gets a weight swing. The 5.0L blower cars seem to be running better and better.
So… Robin why don’t you tell the other teams to work on their stuff.
As far as running hard on parts.. The mod motors seams to be running through their share of parts.
All I asked was to show me the data to support the changes.

Just to clarify the part about 5.0 blowers were given a pulley...no we were NOT. Had I realized that they were being given away(like candy...lol) I would have gotten in line. You can bet I'll be asking for one now. What would it take to get a 5.0 pushrod P1sc-2 into the 50's?

[Shawn Johnson]

Just to clarify the part about 5.0 blowers were given a pulley...no we were NOT. Had I realized that they were being given away(like candy...lol) I would have gotten in line. You can bet I'll be asking for one now. What would it take to get a 5.0 pushrod P1sc-2 into the 50's?


5.0L were given a pulley over the winter...

[Ian Mullane]

5.0L were given a pulley over the winter...

Looks like he runs a Procharger. I don't think they got a pulley but the Vortec, Paxton guys did so your both right.

[Jim Coger]

Looks like he runs a Procharger. I don't think they got a pulley but the Vortec, Paxton guys did so your both right.

Exactly my point, vortech/pax 5.0L got a pulley NOT "blower cars". It appears the Procharger pushrod combination was overlooked by Shawn and the rules committee.

[Shawn Johnson]

Exactly my point, vortech/pax 5.0L got a pulley NOT "blower cars". It appears the Procharger pushrod combination was overlooked by Shawn and the rules committee.


Yes I was mistaken… I was thinking they both got a pulley change….
Sorry to hurt your feelings Jim...

[Jim Coger]

Yes I was mistaken… I was thinking they both got a pulley change….
Sorry to hurt your feelings Jim...

Feelings have been repaired, thanks Shawn.--Jim

[f/s 4valve]

Yes I was mistaken… I was thinking they both got a pulley change….
Sorry to hurt your feelings Jim...

shut up shawn your in pure street now. or i will have bruce shut you up like he did me.......:icon_hang: