Bradenton opener chaged

[MP John]

Its soo cold here (-1 and 24 mph winds) that I've asked NMRA to change the opener to this Tuesday.

[KenCook]

I just froze my nutz off going to work at 5am.
Dont ya love it when the heats comes on when your almost there.

[Rick Walsh]

Its soo cold here (-1 and 24 mph winds) that I've asked NMRA to change the opener to this Tuesday.
I dont know what your talking about I live an hour and a half north of Bradenton and its a frigid 69 degrees and calm winds oh the humanity. Its not fit for man nor beast, you dont wana come down here unless your properly dressed.

[Ian Mullane]

Its soo cold here (-1 and 24 mph winds) that I've asked NMRA to change the opener to this Tuesday.

GO down early. You retired foks are supposed to spend winters down there anyway. Get with the program.:p



















Pick me up on your way.;)

[Ryan Hecox]

Its soo cold here (-1 and 24 mph winds) that I've asked NMRA to change the opener to this Tuesday.

I thought you weren't going to Bradenton :D

I can't wait to get to Florida.

[JWilson]

I can't wait to get to Florida.Hey, it's no picnic down here either.

You need a light jacket in the morning and then by the afternoon you could almost break into a mild sweat if your not careful!!:eek: :D

[MP John]

You need a light jacket in the morning and then by the afternoon you could almost break into a mild sweat if your not careful!!:eek: :D

friends!
;)

[MP John]

I thought you weren't going to Bradenton :D



Me - maybe
car - no

[ISSUES]

Hey, it's no picnic down here either.

You need a light jacket in the morning and then by the afternoon you could almost break into a mild sweat if your not careful!!:eek: :D

that breaks my heart, how do you southern residents deal wuth such horrible conditions?:D

how bout you send some of that intolerable weather up to us here in the midwest, were looking to get more snow and lows around zero this weekend, but hey its gonna be a balmy 43* here tomorrow :rolleyes:

[MP John]

Soon I'll be getting ready to start working on the new FS ride.

[KenCook]

Ship that 2v up here to Jersey John.
Will will have it in the Trooper before Florida. :D

[f/s 4valve]

im in bradenton right now its sucky 71 degrees

[KenCook]

thats not funny.
you know the rule of 25lbs added on when testing at the event track dont ya?

im in bradenton right now its sucky 71 degrees

[f/s 4valve]

btw. the track is hooking like no other.

[KenCook]

lol
Maybe Ken will put in that 11.2 or 11.1 tune now :D

[MP John]

btw. the track is hooking like no other.

So you're picking up the new powerplant?

[f/s 4valve]

So you're picking up the new powerplant?

in the car just making some 1/8 mile hits

[KenCook]

triple digit mph yet???

in the car just making some 1/8 mile hits

[f/s 4valve]

triple digit mph yet???

kinda disappointed 7.0 at 99

[Tommy@JPC]

kinda disappointed 7.0 at 99

Were is the BS Flag on here?

[f/s 4valve]

Were is the BS Flag on here?

no bs good air

[KenCook]

magic perhaps?

[Jonathan Paulk]

If that 7.0 is real....that is a 10.90?? If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me...So, you're saying that good air pickup you up two tenths in the 1/8. If you come and run that in three weeks at the event, there will be a tear down by tech and more than likely be a rule change at the track or before Reynolds, either 200lbs to base weight or no cams for 2Vs...That is just too fast for the intent of the class. I'm not whining, I think there is more in the 2V, I just don't have the money to build one, and right now don't really care because I am not racing...This is my opinion based in the 7.0 being real, if BS, that is funny....Or, is that the time from your Shelby??

[KenB]

Tuning via email is pretty interesting. And don't get too excited fellas, he was probably light. ;)

[Jonathan Paulk]

Or he could be on slicks, too....????? Hmmmmmm. I am not excited, good for him...Other people might get excited, like people only running 11.50-60s that want to race heads up somewhere and were somewhat competitive in 2007. But running 11.20s or faster should not be the intent of this class. You think a 7 car field is a low turnout, how about 2-3 cars, because the everyday people that don't have a shop backing (ie JPC, Modular Depot, etc), or have a excellent engine program with a person that thinks outside the box, that are pouring everything the can in their program don't want to come just to be get beat by 3-4 tenths. They will just go and race brackets somewhere else. I know how it feels, and without Justin I would not have race after the 2005 season. It takes a whole lot of money and testing to be competitive and only a shop like JPC, Modular Depot and MD Performance are going to have a chance. Just look at NASCAR and NHRA...The 2V can possibly run that fast within the 2008 rules, when that happens, the rules should be changes to slow it down. I know why I was not as fast as Tommy and Stevve last year, I just didn't have the money to replace what was worn out, I barely had enough money to make it to each race...What's funny is, that it is going to take a cammed up, PI ported 2V to outrun a E7 headed MONSTER!!!! Or it might take a lighter non-ported SVO headed 2V....Like I said just my opinion....

[KenCook]

he might have magic pi heads

[Tommy@JPC]

Ok I'll lower the BS Flag if you were at 2950 and on slicks. :) If not, HMMMM.

[Rick Walsh]

btw. the track is hooking like no other.
I can vouch for Steve on the track stickiness,I was launching 400-500 rpm higher and still bogging several weeks ago.:eek:

[Tommy@JPC]

I can vouch for Steve on the track stickiness,I was launching 400-500 rpm higher and still bogging several weeks ago.:eek:

Any 7.0's in the 1/8 for you?

[Ian Mullane]

kinda disappointed 7.0 at 99

That's it:confused: Better keep practicing.:p

[Rick Walsh]

kinda disappointed 7.0 at 99

Hey Steve lets trade cars and I'll show you disappointing:(

[Rick Walsh]

Any 7.0's in the 1/8 for you?

Not even close,add .5+ to Steves 7.0:confused: I'm just not testing, spending money, trying hard enough or know the right people I guess:o Oh well 11.80s is'nt bad for a bone stock motor with notched stock pistons.I may have to pull the boat anchor out and get on the 4.6 band wagon as soon as I get some more stuff sold(anybody need some kids,they dont eat that much)Just kidding but I'm serious;)

[KenCook]

kids are great.
I could have been running d/r without the little buggers. :D

[f/s 4valve]

That's it:confused: Better keep practicing.:p

heres a vid. from thursday testinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_GQMPzEIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_GQMPzEIY

[JWilson]

And don't get too excited fellas, he was probably light. ;)Did you mean light or lit?!:D


The rest of you guys are too gullible.

I doubt farmer is running the factory stocker at the NHRA Lucas series.:eek:


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[Tommy@JPC]

Did you mean light or lit?!:D


The rest of you guys are too gullible.

I doubt farmer is running the factory stocker at the NHRA Lucas series.:eek:


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Nope, I was hoping he had something for me ;)

[ISSUES]

Did you mean light or lit?!:D


The rest of you guys are too gullible.

I doubt farmer is running the factory stocker at the NHRA Lucas series.:eek:


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why not? f/s cars are pretty close to NHRA stocker rules, well except for the ported heads and throttle body :D

it would prolly be placed in D,E, or F/FI and have an index of something like12.45 or something?

[Jonathan Paulk]

Gullible??? Nope....Like I said before under the current rules a 7.0 is possible....Allowing porting is infinite, it takes out the varible of finding that "magic" set of heads, you can just port them any way you want the air to flow. For cams, you can cut and test any specs you want...It's all in how fast can you afford to go??? Plain and simple...That is what makes the 2V potential not even close to being reached...

[f/s 4valve]

Gullible??? Nope....Like I said before under the current rules a 7.0 is possible....Allowing porting is infinite, it takes out the varible of finding that "majic" set of heads, you can just port them any way you want the air to flow. For cams, you can cut and test any specs you want...It's all in how fast can you afford to go??? Plain and simple...That is what makes the 2V potential not even close to being reached...

i so sick of hearing potential.if these things have so much left in them the why in the **** isnt there 10 two valves in the class. for the record ive spent less $ on this program since i started then you guys spend in one year.my engine builder told me when i first started dont worry about horsepower make the car work and drive the piece of shit.im making the same hp.now yhat i made one year ago.that is a fact. we went from mid. pack 60 ft. times to having .030 on the field. can your caculater make that look like a 10.90 give me a break.tell you what jp send a set of heads to rgr. and i will pay for the porting and i will still put three tenths on you.and we dont even work at it.tommy has magic heads i must have a magic car.

[f/s 4valve]

Nope, I was hoping he had something for me ;)

tommy you need to quit worrying about me and worry about the 4 valve were going stick on your side of the ladder. because according to you guys we dont do shit. but if push comes to shove i might let ken put my car on the dyno and tune this year. or if things get real tight we may check the air pressure before we race.can you imagine me shifting at 7 grand instead of 4500 wow jp. may be right we could go 10.90 with all that potential.

[Brr Mrr]

Thats it you give em Hell Farmer....i Agree Potential B.S. If the 2v is so great why wouldnt everyone run that in a car..your right Buddy...You have a great program without any grey area or B.S. or doubt. Hell [I] would hate to run up against your program if you pushed the grey area like these other teams...(magic heads) ( I just bought some Magic Beans too) I dont want to compete with it now. I Vote for you to go out and kick all there azz's from the start....I'm glad I am saving my money this year... The 2v we have is awesome too....( I think John would sell that motor to anyone who wanted to but it,)HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA ... Oh yeah sorry if this pisses anyone off, But I am sorry you feel that way....God is watching..Dont Make him come down there...Ya ever hear that one ????
When the light drops all the bullshit stops...........Sunday is Game Day and its anyones game..I vote for the Farmer
Brr Mrr

[Brr Mrr]

Farmer I will Give you those Magic Beans but it would piss everyone off, because they have the Potential to put you in the Pure Street range of times.:D :p

[JWilson]

Gullible??? Nope....Like I said before under the current rules a 7.0 is possible....Allowing porting is infinite, it takes out the varible of finding that "majic" set of heads, you can just port them any way you want the air to flow. For cams, you can cut and test any specs you want...It's all in how fast can you afford to go??? Plain and simple...That is what makes the 2V potential not even close to being reached...Jonathan, calm down and take a deep breath. Don't get so worked up, after all it is your BIRTHDAY!:D

Have a good B-day!

[Brr Mrr]

Happy Birthday Jp

[KenCook]

Happy Birthday Jon

Now back to arguing.:D

[Alan Cann]

This class has character that is for sure.
i Agree Potential B.S. If the 2v is so great why wouldnt everyone run that in a car
Brr Mrr
Are there any new cars entering the mix that are not running the 2v.
why in the **** isnt there 10 two valves in the class.
With the current state of Factory Stock I think this dream will soon be a reality.

To be honest, if I had an unlimited supply of money I would surely switch over. But the reality is I do this out of my pocket with no sponsers and the finanacial burden to switch would be too much. So please do not just say "Then switch to a 2v and show us how it is done." For a majority of the people in this class that is not possible.

[Tommy@JPC]

Just like Alan said. I'm tired of the just switch to a 2V B.S. sob story. And Steve you said it yourself again. With how well your car runs without even trying, I could imagine if you actually put some effort into it. I'm just saying that because that's what you just said. At times you say you bust your ass then you say you all don't do anything to the car, so which is it? FTW I'm building a 2 V!

[Chalie Sr.]

Alright,
Can you guys hold on till I run to the store for more popcorn!!
I can't wait for Florida! Brian tell Jeff to call me! He will know what it is about.
Just remember drag racing isn't always a sure thing! You just never know!
Shit Happens! I still say Old Bald Guys should get a weight break!
Later,

[Jonathan Paulk]

Ummm....one word....MONEY!!!! I only clear $2200 a month on a SSgt's salary and I have bills, too. I went as fast as I could on my budget, 11.50s is pretty dang fast for the stuff that was in my car....Are you serious about paying for work at RGR??? Should of said something Thursday, we could of had a set hand delivered to him. You will actually put alot more than 3 tenths on me since I will not be racing this year, unless you want to pay for that, too....

[Brandon Alsept]

Oh boy my favorite ol' word is back out and about POTENTIAL.

It is the use of the word and how it gets implied that really erks me. Is there potential in the ported 2V cars sure there is, is there potential in the E7 head sure. There is potential in every single combo, every car, and every single driver. If there was a sure fire way to just maximize a combo it would make for very very boring racing. That is why we are all thinking of stuff all day and night to try, or different ways to drive, different suspension setups. Every combo out there has a lot of potential left.

Now out of the 3 Main things that makes a championship program the engine combo is only one of those. So maybe people should stop bitching about 33% of the issue and start focusing on the other 66%;)

[Jonathan Paulk]

for the record ive spent less $ on this program since i started then you guys spend in one year.my engine builder told me when i first started dont worry about horsepower make the car work and drive the piece of shit. and we dont even work at it.tommy has magic heads i must have a magic car.

Hmmmmmm......

[Rey]

This is retarded. I mean seriously. It's funny how when I raced my 2v everyone in the class told me that the combo couldn't do it. I was told by most in the class that the combo would need ported heads, cams and a few other things to have a shot. Now some of those same people are whining after I put in for a rules change and brought out the combo in it's current state. This b*tching is silly. Tommy you should be faster this year. You made those impressive runs @ BG with a fairly new set up. You have had the time in the off season. Good luck to you. And as far as this complaing of needing millions of dollars to be in the mix, yes it is expensive. This is heads up racing. Wether it is a class that runs 10's or 14's, it is heads up, which makes it a tough class to compete in.

Farmer I hope you ran a 7.0 sh*t run a 6.90..... Give em hell Steve!!!

[Tommy@JPC]

Well all I can say is we only have a few weeks to go. I know I will be there along with a few others. All I'm going to say is BRING IT ON modular guys. It's game on! I see a replay of last years opener in the works just with a little quicker ET and faster MPH.

Let's start a new thread, this one got side tracked.

[f/s 4valve]

Well all I can say is we only have a few weeks to go. I know I will be there along with a few others. All I'm going to say is BRING IT ON modular guys. It's game on! I see a replay of last years opener in the works just with a little quicker ET and faster MPH.

Let's start a new thread, this one got side tracked.

jeff is going to red light again.does your magic heads have a crystal ball.:D

[Tommy@JPC]

jeff is going to red light again.does your magic heads have a crystal ball.:D

I don't need Jeff to redlight, just like I didn't last year. If you remember I had the quickest car in Florida last year.

It's good Steve - O, I'm glad you got your new set up in. We will just pull our bucket out of the garage this year instead of the weeds last year. See you in FL :D And my cobra is sold, I'm waiting on the check to clear the bank this thursday, so I will actually have some money to test this year.

[Jonathan Paulk]

This is retarded. I mean seriously. It's funny how when I raced my 2v everyone in the class told me that the combo couldn't do it. I was told by most in the class that the combo would need ported heads, cams and a few other things to have a shot. Now some of those same people are whining after I put in for a rules change and brought out the combo in it's current state. This b*tching is silly. Tommy you should be faster this year. You made those impressive runs @ BG with a fairly new set up. You have had the time in the off season. Good luck to you. And as far as this complaing of needing millions of dollars to be in the mix, yes it is expensive. This is heads up racing. Wether it is a class that runs 10's or 14's, it is heads up, which makes it a tough class to compete in.

Farmer I hope you ran a 7.0 sh*t run a 6.90..... Give em hell Steve!!!

You don't need millions of dollars, just 10k for a shortblock, few thousand for heads and portwork (2V), about 2K for the car, couple thousand for roll bar, about 2K for electronic stuff; wiring, guages, ECM tuning, then about a couple more thousand for misc; seats, carpet, wheels, tires, suspension parts, etc...see where this is going if you want to be competive or win the championship. Don't forget about your tow rig, trailer, tools and equipment.

By the way Rey, your car was no where near maxed out the rules; stock brakes, heavy weld wheels, heavy seats; just to name a few things.

It took me three seasons to get my car to where it was last season. It still needed more work; ie, a nice trans, the one I had just was worn out by Acto and I had no extra money to get it fixed right.

I know exactly how Alan, Rick, Leslie, Eric and Steffan feels. It sux to work your but off on your program within your budget and go out in the first or second round.

BTW, didn't Steve run a 7.19 at BG???

[f/s 4valve]

You don't need millions of dollars, just 10k for a shortblock, few thousand for heads and portwork (2V), about 2K for the car, couple thousand for roll bar, about 2K for electronic stuff; wiring, guages, ECM tuning, then about a couple more thousand for misc; seats, carpet, wheels, tires, suspension parts, etc...see where this is going if you want to be competive or win the championship. Don't forget about your tow rig, trailer, tools and equipment.

By the way Rey, your car was no where near maxed out the rules; stock brakes, heavy weld wheels, heavy seats; just to name a few things.

It took me three seasons to get my car to where it was last season. It still needed more work; ie, a nice trans, the one I had just was worn out by Acto and I had no extra money to get it fixed right.

I know exactly how Alan, Rick, Leslie, Eric and Steffan feels. It sux to work your but off on your program within your budget and go out in the first or second round.

BTW, didn't Steve run a 7.19 at BG???

if your spending that kind of money for short blocks you need to find a new suppler

[f/s 4valve]

I don't need Jeff to redlight, just like I didn't last year. If you remember I had the quickest car in Florida last year.

It's good Steve - O, I'm glad you got your new set up in. We will just pull our bucket out of the garage this year instead of the weeds last year. See you in FL :D And my cobra is sold, I'm waiting on the check to clear the bank this thursday, so I will actually have some money to test this year.

wher did the cobra go?

[KenB]

I don't need Jeff to redlight, just like I didn't last year. If you remember I had the quickest car in Florida last year.


The quickest car doesn't always win. You won the championship don't forgot. ;)

[KenB]

You don't need millions of dollars, just 10k for a shortblock, few thousand for heads and portwork (2V), about 2K for the car, couple thousand for roll bar, about 2K for electronic stuff; wiring, guages, ECM tuning, then about a couple more thousand for misc; seats, carpet, wheels, tires, suspension parts, etc...see where this is going if you want to be competive or win the championship. Don't forget about your tow rig, trailer, tools and equipment.

By the way Rey, your car was no where near maxed out the rules; stock brakes, heavy weld wheels, heavy seats; just to name a few things.

It took me three seasons to get my car to where it was last season. It still needed more work; ie, a nice trans, the one I had just was worn out by Acto and I had no extra money to get it fixed right.

I know exactly how Alan, Rick, Leslie, Eric and Steffan feels. It sux to work your but off on your program within your budget and go out in the first or second round.

BTW, didn't Steve run a 7.19 at BG???


$10k for a shortblock! Holy cow, I would love a piece of that action. If anyone is charging that much for a FS 2V shortblock they should be embarassed.

[Brandon Alsept]

I would have to agree on the 10K shortblocks. I mean come on there is only so much to do within the rules we have. I can't even think of a way to spend 10K in a F/S shortblock LOL.

[Biff]

I can't even think of a way to spend 10K in a F/S shortblock LOL.

have it built and then stick $6500 cash in the coolant passages

[Brandon Alsept]

have it built and then stick $6500 cash in the coolant passages


LOL well since you put it that way.

[Jonathan Paulk]

And you wonder why you/y'all didn't win the championship in your respective classes....sorry, truth hurts....Yes, my wife tell me I have no cooth, but the military actually likes that....

Anyways, I have multiple quotes from mulitple Championship winning engine builders. One of those engine builders has won three championships in three different classes one of those in a different series and another engine builder has won two different championships. A 4V would be 10k intake to oilpan; it's cheaper because you can use alot of stock parts. The pushrod shortblock is 10k; because a Boss/A-4 block, billet crank, billet rods can be used to make more power. I have yet to have a 2V quote, but you can use the stock block, and crank, but will use the billet rods; so the 2V short block will be reasonable. And the porting of a 2V heads; the price of a hand port job, not just some CNC port that another shop might think work, is going the be expensive. The three valve is untested but more than likely be about the same price as the 4V since you can't port the heads and not much aftermarket parts available. But, the price of flowing multiple sets of heads for either the E7/GT40, 3V, and 4V can get expensive to find that "magic" set of heads. Keep in mind these prices are for the best parts available, the BEST parts....But all this is worthless unless you know how to get it to the ground.

BTW, Team JPC has been cutting mid 1.50 60ft for the past three years, sorry other teams are now just getting there...After I helped designed the suspension and tire/rim setup on Steffan's car; using the knowledge I learned from Team JPC; he cut a low 1.60 60ft on his first pass down the track, later that day his car left so hard it broke the tach off the dash. We have a pretty good idea on getting a drag radial car to hook, too...

[Biff]

And you wonder why you/y'all didn't win the championship in your respective classes....sorry, truth hurts....

I happen to know exactly why I didn't win the factory stock championship, the fact that I've not yet fielded my car in the class could have something to do with it :confused: :confused:

[Bob Cosby]

I don't think I ever went a 1.5x in my old Cobra. Wouldn't have been neat to see what it would have run with a really good 60 ft.

BTW....there was less than $10k in my entire motor in 2004 (modular 4V). A lot less. But times were different then. I hear ya Jonathan. :)

[KenB]

The pushrod shortblock is 10k;


I can save you alot of money right there. There's one for sale for $2800 that has gone 11.50's. Oh wait, that's yours.

[Tommy@JPC]

I can save you alot of money right there. There's one for sale for $2800 that has gone 11.50's. Oh wait, that's yours.

Yeah an what is an occasional 11.50 gonna get you now a days other than a nice view of taillights?

Just goes to show you how much you have to put in a pushrod to keep up with an 2v.

[Jonathan Paulk]

I can save you alot of money right there. There's one for sale for $2800 that has gone 11.50's. Oh wait, that's yours.

If Steve doesn't improve his reaction time consisitently that 11.50 might out run him,......That is as fast as I could afford to go...For some people that would be a great improvement on thier program....

[Jonathan Paulk]

I happen to know exactly why I didn't win the factory stock championship, the fact that I've not yet fielded my car in the class could have something to do with it :confused: :confused:

Good for you...

[Brandon Alsept]

And you wonder why you/y'all didn't win the championship in your respective classes.....

Well a P/S shortblock and a F/S shortblock are 2 completely different animals. But I will still say that a F/S shortblock should not cost anywhere near 10K. I think I could put together a complete ported 2V engine from pan to intake for less than that. I also believe I could do the same with a E7 or GT40 combo as well.

Another saying one should remember is that its not always the amount of money you spend, but how and who you spend your money with;)

[KenCook]

it takes money & magic to win :D

[Rey]

You don't need millions of dollars, just 10k for a shortblock, few thousand for heads and portwork (2V), about 2K for the car, couple thousand for roll bar, about 2K for electronic stuff; wiring, guages, ECM tuning, then about a couple more thousand for misc; seats, carpet, wheels, tires, suspension parts, etc...see where this is going if you want to be competive or win the championship. Don't forget about your tow rig, trailer, tools and equipment.

By the way Rey, your car was no where near maxed out the rules; stock brakes, heavy weld wheels, heavy seats; just to name a few things.

It took me three seasons to get my car to where it was last season. It still needed more work; ie, a nice trans, the one I had just was worn out by Acto and I had no extra money to get it fixed right.

I know exactly how Alan, Rick, Leslie, Eric and Steffan feels. It sux to work your but off on your program within your budget and go out in the first or second round.

BTW, didn't Steve run a 7.19 at BG???

I never said my car was maxed out. It had some room for improvement in that season of rules. But what kills me is that you were one of those whoe said the 2v would need the current rules to be in the mix and now you don't like it. And yes there are racers on strict budgets. I am one of them. I haven't raced in almost 3 seasons, but I'm not gonna sit hear and bash on the fastest combos or crews just because I cannot afford to "go as fast" as them.
There is always room for making improvements on any combo. Just like the "proven" combo of the pushrod all of the sudden came out with E7's and ran great numbers. It is what it is. Either use the dominating combo or improve the one you use to get there. Ya it cost money but that is unfortunatly where crews get seperated most of the time. Those that can afford it and those that can't.

[Tommy@JPC]

[QUOTE=Brandon Alsept;17120] I also believe I could do the same with a E7 or GT40 combo as well.

[QUOTE]

Yep and I bet you it wouldn't run past an 11.50 if that.

[Ryan Hecox]

Well a P/S shortblock and a F/S shortblock are 2 completely different animals. But I will still say that a F/S shortblock should not cost anywhere near 10K. I think I could put together a complete ported 2V engine from pan to intake for less than that. I also believe I could do the same with a E7 or GT40 combo as well.

Another saying one should remember is that its not always the amount of money you spend, but how and who you spend your money with;)

how is a PS shortblock different from a FS shortblock? I think they are almost two identical animals.

[KenB]

how is a PS shortblock different from a FS shortblock? I think they are almost two identical animals.


Well for one, a PS shortblock has to be setup to spin alot more RPM.

[Brandon Alsept]

Well maybe there should be a claimer rule for F/S engines;)

[Jay Dold]

Well I don't know too much about what everyone pays for different things but I'm not sure whether it's the money I spent or the air in Mississippi. Holy crap, this thing runs like a bat out hell!!! Ken...Mike, whatever you guys did worked. I will not post times... but if this thing runs this good in FL, we will for sure get torn down. I can't wait to see what it will do once I take the factory hood off.

I entered into the FS class hoping to run mid 11's and hopefully drop down from there. If I drop much lower, I'll be in another class. Nice work MD. I'll call you guys when I get home.

[Brr Mrr]

You go get em Jay. That Mach1 will be back in the Winners circle again this year, its use to it.
Brr Mrr


I just love how you guys are going at it. I checked on a flight down to Florida and a rental car for the week and it is less money then what we spent on gas round trip coming down there last year. So Maybe iLL SWING BY.

Brr Mrr

[Jonathan Paulk]

I never said my car was maxed out. It had some room for improvement in that season of rules. But what kills me is that you were one of those whoe said the 2v would need the current rules to be in the mix and now you don't like it. And yes there are racers on strict budgets. I am one of them. I haven't raced in almost 3 seasons, but I'm not gonna sit hear and bash on the fastest combos or crews just because I cannot afford to "go as fast" as them.
There is always room for making improvements on any combo. Just like the "proven" combo of the pushrod all of the sudden came out with E7's and ran great numbers. It is what it is. Either use the dominating combo or improve the one you use to get there. Ya it cost money but that is unfortunatly where crews get seperated most of the time. Those that can afford it and those that can't.


I am not bashing the fastest crews. I never said I didn't like the 2V, I just didn't have the money to completely change my program in the off season. I still believe the 2V is the combo to use....That is all. If you are not trying everything possible to go faster then don't say it can't go faster. JPC has tried alot of stuff on the pushrod combo, but it was only getting small gains, not really enough to make a difference; without getting extreme. Justin is not made of money....We all thought the E7 would not hook because of the weight difference, JPC rented the local track to test it, but when I saw the car leave on it's first pass, it changed everything. When you have a car hooking, but 250lbs lighter, making not much less HP, what do you think is going to happen.

For example...if you built my shortblock from all new parts, it would cost around 4K; that includes all machine work, coatings, bearings, pistons, rings, crank prep, rods/rod prep. When you add in all the billet stuff, and things like roller cam bearings and the machine work for roller cam bearing is almost 2k; the bill adds up. I already had most of the parts when I had to rebuild it in 2006, just had to get some pistons and rings.

Also I believe the intent of the class is not to run 11.20s, more like 11.50s. But, if that is what it is going to take to be competive, I don't see many more cars showing up that don't have backing from a speed shop like JPC or Team MD; unless that person has alot money to burn just to collect $400 to win and whatever contigencies they have...I don't want to know what my dyno bill would be if I didn't have JPC as a sponsor...

[Jonathan Paulk]

Well I don't know too much about what everyone pays for different things but I'm not sure whether it's the money I spent or the air in Mississippi. Holy crap, this thing runs like a bat out hell!!! Ken...Mike, whatever you guys did worked. I will not post times... but if this thing runs this good in FL, we will for sure get torn down. I can't wait to see what it will do once I take the factory hood off.

I entered into the FS class hoping to run mid 11's and hopefully drop down from there. If I drop much lower, I'll be in another class. Nice work MD. I'll call you guys when I get home.

You're the guy that bought Jeff's Mach 1?? It sure would be funny if you drove it faster that 11.40s.....:eek:

[Jonathan Paulk]

I would have to agree on the 10K shortblocks. I mean come on there is only so much to do within the rules we have. I can't even think of a way to spend 10K in a F/S shortblock LOL.

Let's see...

$3500 billet crank, plus the cost of machine work to get it down to 2" rod journals
$2500 billet rods, plus the cost of machine work to balance it and crank
$1000 custom pistons, plus whatever coating
$1500 to machine block for roller cam bearings, not quite sure price of the roller cam bearings

$1600 Boss Block R302s and A4s still fetch over $1000
Cost of machine the block

See where this is going?????

The smoother the motors revs the more power it will make....any where you can reduce friction, the more power the motor will make...

[Mike Washington]

You go get em Jay. That Mach1 will be back in the Winners circle again this year, its use to it.
Brr Mrr
Brr Mrr

Yeah, At 100lbs lighter than last year............

I would have to agree on the 10K shortblocks. I mean come on there is only so much to do within the rules we have. I can't even think of a way to spend 10K in a F/S shortblock LOL.

THINK R&D........We have spent BUCCO $$ on trying stuff that gave us ooohhhgots..... Some things gained us nicely. :) Not many moving parts in a shortblock...But there are some things to be learned down there! ;)


I can't wait to see what it will do once I take the factory hood off.

What, Jeff didn't sell the car with the Carbon Fiber Mach 1 hood?



Watch out kids.....Tommy is feeling frisky!!! Bradenton WILL be a dogfight.................For Runner-Up :)


Laters
Mike Washington

[Brandon Alsept]

Let's see...

$3500 billet crank, plus the cost of machine work to get it down to 2" rod journals
$2500 billet rods, plus the cost of machine work to balance it and crank
$1000 custom pistons, plus whatever coating
$1500 to machine block for roller cam bearings, not quite sure price of the roller cam bearings

$1600 Boss Block R302s and A4s still fetch over $1000
Cost of machine the block

See where this is going?????

The smoother the motors revs the more power it will make....any where you can reduce friction, the more power the motor will make...


To each there own I guess:rolleyes:

[Brandon Alsept]

THINK R&D........We have spent BUCCO $$ on trying stuff that gave us ooohhhgots..... Some things gained us nicely. :) Not many moving parts in a shortblock...But there are some things to be learned down there! ;)

Laters
Mike Washington

Yeah with R&D it is very easy to spend that kinda money. But still to build a shortblock to par with what Jonathan is saying still seems very very pricey.

[Biff]

Aluminum Block- $350
Crankshaft- $150
Rods- $650
Custom Pistons- $580
Bearings, main studs, rings, etc.- $400
Machine, balance, assemble- $1000
Oil Pan-$35
Shortblock total- $3165

Heads- $200 (PI)
Valves, valve job, mill, assemble heads- $475
Custom Cams- $554
Cam gears- $360
Timing chains, tensioners, HLA's, followers, etc- $500
Assemble Longblock, time it, balance, etc- $950


Longblock Total- $6204

So now tell me where us thinking you are nuts for spending 10k on a shortblock is uncalled for.

[jclarkg]

Call me crazy but why would you want or have to spend the money on a Boss/A4 block? What advantage would you gain in a class such as this? Me and Jason will be down there hanging out. I do agree with Jonathan on one thing...the class intent has and was left way back!!!!

Jamie R.
'01 Silver Cobra on the Cover of MM&FF's August '07 Issue

[Ryan Hecox]

Call me crazy but why would you want or have to spend the money on a Boss/A4 block? What advantage would you gain in a class such as this? Me and Jason will be down there hanging out. I do agree with Jonathan on one thing...the class intent has and was left way back!!!!

Jamie R.
'01 Silver Cobra on the Cover of MM&FF's August '07 Issue

ok, you're crazy.....

[shanshine]

Let's see...

$3500 billet crank, plus the cost of machine work to get it down to 2" rod journals
$2500 billet rods, plus the cost of machine work to balance it and crank
$1000 custom pistons, plus whatever coating
$1500 to machine block for roller cam bearings, not quite sure price of the roller cam bearings

$1600 Boss Block R302s and A4s still fetch over $1000
Cost of machine the block

See where this is going?????

The smoother the motors revs the more power it will make....any where you can reduce friction, the more power the motor will make...

You talk to much!

[shanshine]

Aluminum Block- $350
Crankshaft- $150
Rods- $650
Custom Pistons- $580
Bearings, main studs, rings, etc.- $400
Machine, balance, assemble- $1000
Oil Pan-$35
Shortblock total- $3165

Heads- $200 (PI)
Valves, valve job, mill, assemble heads- $475
Custom Cams- $554
Cam gears- $360
Timing chains, tensioners, HLA's, followers, etc- $500
Assemble Longblock, time it, balance, etc- $950


Longblock Total- $6204

So now tell me where us thinking you are nuts for spending 10k on a shortblock is uncalled for.

Let me know how that works out for you :)

[CarlosSobrino]

I don't need Jeff to redlight, just like I didn't last year. If you remember I had the quickest car in Florida last year. .

Yes You Did, trust me I F*CKEN REMEMBER IT VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY WELL!!! I had the second best seat to see the fastest pass,. I'm soooooo lucky. But on the brightside, JPC now had 2 drivers that can recover from bad reaction times and still drive so good that they get the win. The other driver i was refering to is ofcourse JB. Come to think of it, i dont think JB ever had bad reaction times. The closest most competitors were to him was in staging...lol

[Biff]

Let me know how that works out for you :)

If i can find some money to finish the rest of the car, i will be more than happy to show you :D

[CarlosSobrino]

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BTW....there was less than $10k in my entire motor :)

WHAT!?!? U BASTARD. U LIED TO ME!! TOLD ME 15K !!! UGH UGH, I HAVE BEEN ROBBED. I HAVE BEEN MOLESTED!! Hmm, was it because i had a US ARMY sticker on my back window?? lolol.. Hiya Bob, hope all is well, nice to see u here posting again.

[Jonathan Paulk]

Aluminum Block- $350
Crankshaft- $150
Rods- $650
Custom Pistons- $580
Bearings, main studs, rings, etc.- $400
Machine, balance, assemble- $1000
Oil Pan-$35
Shortblock total- $3165

Heads- $200 (PI)
Valves, valve job, mill, assemble heads- $475
Custom Cams- $554
Cam gears- $360
Timing chains, tensioners, HLA's, followers, etc- $500
Assemble Longblock, time it, balance, etc- $950


Longblock Total- $6204

So now tell me where us thinking you are nuts for spending 10k on a shortblock is uncalled for.

Yep, it is cheaper to build a mod motor, especially the one you just decribed....I was referring to the pushrod...

You talk to much!

Just stating what the rulebook says you can do....

[Biff]

Yep, it is cheaper to build a mod motor, especially the one you just decribed
Just stating what the rulebook says you can do....

hmm... i thought I had something good there.
the shop down the street thinks the one i described would/will be competitive.

[Brandon Alsept]

I figured it out all these fancy coatings you speak of must be pure gold:D

[Jonathan Paulk]

hmm... i thought I had something good there.
the shop down the street thinks the one i described would/will be competitive.

Just noticed, non-ported 2V....should be interesting....

[Jonathan Paulk]

I figured it out all these fancy coatings you speak of must be pure gold:D


Wouldn't say gold, but they are not cheap....if people are not trying them, then their program in not maxed out, JMO

[Brandon Alsept]

Wouldn't say gold, but they are not cheap....if people are not trying them, then their program in not maxed out, JMO

Or they have tried them and just don't talk about it in public, maybe they have a builder that has tried stuff and knows what will work and what would be a waste. So many choices and things to try so little time and money LOL

[jclarkg]

I might be crazy but still I have'nt seen a valid reason to spend that much money on block that looks to me like it would be no better than a stock block for this class. Heck R/S guys used to use stock blocks years ago until they started splitting them then they went to a Boss/A4/R block/Dart block, but heck they were running bottom tens and 9's then.

Jamie R.
'01 Silver Cobra on the Cover of MM&FF's August '07 Issue
'87 GT NMRA F/S 6500 FOR SALE---MOTOR OR CAR

[Jonathan Paulk]

Or they have tried them and just don't talk about it in public, maybe they have a builder that has tried stuff and knows what will work and what would be a waste. So many choices and things to try so little time and money LOL

Your right. Since we didn't have time to send my motor to Rich in Sep 06, we used a local guy. He used to build engines for a local NHRA Pro Stock racer, Cunningham. This guy didn't believe in using coatings on the top of the piston. He said in his experience, it didn't help. They both have data to support their claim....

[Jonathan Paulk]

I might be crazy but still I have'nt seen a valid reason to spend that much money on block that looks to me like it would be no better than a stock block for this class. Heck R/S guys used to use stock blocks years ago until they started splitting them then they went to a Boss/A4/R block/Dart block, but heck they were running bottom tens and 9's then.

It does sound crazy, but, if you want to use a pushrod and if using all those exotic/expensive parts is what it is going to take to be competitive (ie: win races, out run the mod motor) you are going to have to do it....Or just build a 2V, they are cheaper....JMO

[Teddy]

I might be crazy but still I have'nt seen a valid reason to spend that much money on block that looks to me like it would be no better than a stock block for this class. Heck R/S guys used to use stock blocks years ago until they started splitting them then they went to a Boss/A4/R block/Dart block, but heck they were running bottom tens and 9's then.

Jamie R.
'01 Silver Cobra on the Cover of MM&FF's August '07 Issue
'87 GT NMRA F/S 6500 FOR SALE---MOTOR OR CAR

If your looking for every last HP, cylinder wall disortion becomes an issue when using the stock block.

[shanshine]

If i can find some money to finish the rest of the car, i will be more than happy to show you :D

Bring it on ;)

[vrtical]

If your looking for every last HP, cylinder wall disortion becomes an issue when using the stock block.

same with aluminum, but is it worth the weight...

Anyone wanna buy some junky lightweight PS SB modular parts for FS LOL.

[Tim Duncan]

If your looking for every last HP, cylinder wall disortion becomes an issue when using the stock block.

Yup at .060 over the cylinders are pretty thin. I would atleast use hardblock in a stock block. I even read about some exotic Compacted Grafite Iron stuff that Dart will make your block out of that takes special tooling to machine. They say it is supposed to be worth more power by not distorting.

[Tommy@JPC]

Yes You Did, trust me I F*CKEN REMEMBER IT VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY WELL!!! I had the second best seat to see the fastest pass,.

No I didn't. I had him beat all the way down the track.

Sorry I had bad reaction times in my first race. Lets see I had a total of 3 passes in the car before Brandenton. Not bad for winning the race? I guess when I cut the .024 on Steve in the 2nd round in michigan to beat him sucked also. And I think our car is just a tad slow on reaction time when it's hanging the tires in the air. I don't know, maybe we'll figure something out and be competitive this year. I'm scared of the big bad modulars. :rolleyes: