Another Victim, er, I mean new F/S racer

[JimStC]

My name is Jim St.Charles and we are building a '99 for F/S. Hope to be ready by GA, but it may be a push. If not Ga, the next 5 races for sure.
I live in rural central, Indiana and this is my second year racing.
Look forward to meeting everyone.
Engine and drivetrain builder is Dustin Hiday at Automotive Specialists in Noblesville, IN and chassis and suspension is being done by Andy Smith of Pro Tree racing in Pendleton, IN. Tranny by Liberty.
That's my story and I am sticking with it.
See you soon, I hope.
Jim

[f/s 4valve]

My name is Jim St.Charles and we are building a '99 for F/S. Hope to be ready by GA, but it may be a push. If not Ga, the next 5 races for sure.
I live in rural central, Indiana and this is my second year racing.
Look forward to meeting everyone.
Engine and drivetrain builder is Dustin Hiday at Automotive Specialists in Noblesville, IN and chassis and suspension is being done by Andy Smith of Pro Tree racing in Pendleton, IN. Tranny by Liberty.
That's my story and I am sticking with it.
See you soon, I hope.
Jim

welcome jim. what power plant you running.

[fiveoh]

be original and put a push rod in it lol we could use another

[Tommy@JPC]

Pushrod power! Good luck getting her ready!

[JimStC]

welcome jim. what power plant you running.


Thanks for the welcome.
4.6L 2V, Teskid block, SVO M 6049 D46 Heads, SVO intake M 9424 E46

[Brandon Alsept]

Thanks for the welcome.
4.6L 2V, Teskid block, SVO M 6049 D46 Heads, SVO intake M 9424 E46

So now the big question, ported on un-ported?

Oh and welcome to the fun that is NMRA Factory Stock;)

[JimStC]

So now the big question, ported on un-ported?

Oh and welcome to the fun that is NMRA Factory Stock;)

Ported for sure. Trying to breathe like the 4V's

[Ian Mullane]

Welcome! Gonna be alot of new blood in the class this year. I like it!

[Jonathan Paulk]

You can not port the SVO heads....we asked Thom about that two seasons ago...he said no, just the PI and NON-PI heads can be ported, OEM heads...Yes, I know there is an astrik besides the SVO part number in the list of heads permitted allowing those to be ported, but in the head description it only allows the OEM heads....

1.17d) HEADS, PORTING: Prohibited. (*Porting only permitted on 4.6L Ford OEM 2-Valve '96-'04 cylinder heads with 150 pound weight adder.) Runners and combustion chambers must retain OEM appearance. Final acceptance at the discretion of NMRA Technical Department.

PERMITTED CYLINDER HEAD LIST, PARTS NUMBER:
These are the only permitted cylinder heads and part numbers for competition in this category. If your cylinder head is not on this list, it is prohibited.

Stock Ford OEM 5.0 HO Cast Iron Cylinder Heads. (*Deduct 250 lbs.)
FRPP/SVO GT-40 Cast Iron Cylinder Heads
FRPP/SVO GT-40P Cast Iron Cylinder Heads
Stock Ford OEM 4.6 Cylinder Heads **
FRPP/SVO 4.6 2-valve **
Note: Stock factory OEM heads are those cylinder heads that are factory production line installed on production vehicles as recognized by NHRA.

* These heads permitted a 250 lb. deduction from base weight
**Porting permitted with 175 lb. weight penalty to base weight

Whats in red is a mistake, according to Thom, only OEM heads can be ported...

[RFink]

Hey Jonathan , does that SVO 2V head get the 175# weight penalty , not ported ?

[Rick Walsh]

Welcome Jim to Factory Stock,its alot of fun and a great bunch of guys to race with regardless what you read on here, O just watch out for that Steve Gifford and Tommy Godfrey character and absolutly don't let them get together or they will form a super ego with the likes we've never seen before.(Just kidding) Its all good.

[Rey]

You can not port the SVO heads....we asked Thom about that two seasons ago...he said no, just the PI and NON-PI heads can be ported, OEM heads...Yes, I know there is an astrik besides the SVO part number in the list of heads permitted allowing those to be ported, but in the head description it only allows the OEM heads....

1.17d) HEADS, PORTING: Prohibited. (*Porting only permitted on 4.6L Ford OEM 2-Valve '96-'04 cylinder heads with 150 pound weight adder.) Runners and combustion chambers must retain OEM appearance. Final acceptance at the discretion of NMRA Technical Department.

PERMITTED CYLINDER HEAD LIST, PARTS NUMBER:
These are the only permitted cylinder heads and part numbers for competition in this category. If your cylinder head is not on this list, it is prohibited.

Stock Ford OEM 5.0 HO Cast Iron Cylinder Heads. (*Deduct 250 lbs.)
FRPP/SVO GT-40 Cast Iron Cylinder Heads
FRPP/SVO GT-40P Cast Iron Cylinder Heads
Stock Ford OEM 4.6 Cylinder Heads **
FRPP/SVO 4.6 2-valve **
Note: Stock factory OEM heads are those cylinder heads that are factory production line installed on production vehicles as recognized by NHRA.

* These heads permitted a 250 lb. deduction from base weight
**Porting permitted with 175 lb. weight penalty to base weight

Whats in red is a mistake, according to Thom, only OEM heads can be ported...

According to the info I got You can port the SVO heads. I am waiting for a concrete answer. It really wouldn't make much sense to not allow porting for the SVO heads.

[Tommy@JPC]

O just watch out for that Steve Gifford and Tommy Godfrey character and absolutly don't let them get together or they will form a super ego with the likes we've never seen before.

Finally, someone calling The Farmer out on his cockyness.:)

[JimStC]

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcomes. Also thanks for the warning regarding porting the SVO heads. Out of an abundance of caution I will e-mail Thom for a ruling and pass along his comments.
Coincidentally, we were wondering today if porting the SVO heads would be worth the weight penalty and planned on some flow work/analysis to see what we can learn. Logically the PI heads would warrant porting but with the enhanced flow of the SVO's, maybe not.
Thanks again,
Jim

[f/s 4valve]

Finally, someone calling The Farmer out on his cockyness.:)

remember the smack talk thread tommy.:D
you havent seen cockyness yet wait for bradenton little grass hopper.
2 and 1. 11.30 @119.4 thats fact not cockyness.
because 11.30s is going to be the wrong side of the ladder. come 2008.

[Jonathan Paulk]

According to the info I got You can port the SVO heads. I am waiting for a concrete answer. It really wouldn't make much sense to not allow porting for the SVO heads.


The rule book clearly states in rule 17.d that only OEM 2V heads can be ported...we talked to Thom, who did you talk to? Thom said only the OEM not the SVO heads can be ported....BTW, you have to remember, this is Factory Stock, the whole rule book doesn't make sense.....

[Rey]

The rule book clearly states in rule 17.d that only OEM 2V heads can be ported...we talked to Thom, who did you talk to? Thom said only the OEM not the SVO heads can be ported....BTW, you have to remember, this is Factory Stock, the whole rule book doesn't make sense.....



Directly from T. Bates himself as of this morning via email........

yes, the FRPP heads can be ported as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Reynaldo Rivera <rey.rivera@johnstonesupply.com>
To: nmrarules@promediapub.com
Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 5:31 pm
Subject: Porting in Factory Stock
Hey Guys,

I just wanted to get some light shed on the porting of the SVO heads for the 2v cars. I was under the impression that heads were allowed to be ported due to that it is stated on the rules. It was brought up that they were not by others that are in the class. I am sure you know who they are. The SVO heads flow better than the PI heads un-ported but when ported the SVO heads get out performed by the PI heads. Please let me know what the consensus is. Thanks guys.
FS6124

[Jason Reiss]

According to Rey's conversation with Thom...

Thom's reply..

yes, the FRPP heads can be ported as well.



-----Original Message-----
From: Reynaldo Rivera
To: nmrarules @ promediapub.com
Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 5:31 pm
Subject: Porting in Factory Stock

Hey Guys,

I just wanted to get some light shed on the porting of the SVO heads for the 2v cars. I was under the impression that heads were allowed to be ported due to that it is stated on the rules. It was brought up that they were not by others that are in the class. I am sure you know who they are. The SVO heads flow better than the PI heads un-ported but when ported the SVO heads get out performed by the PI heads. Please let me know what the consensus is. Thanks guys.
FS6124

Rey Rivera

[Rick Walsh]

Finally, someone calling The Farmer out on his cockyness.:) I was wondering about your smack talk will power Tommy. Looks like you've been served by the Farmer ITS ON.

[Jonathan Paulk]

Guess Thom changed his mind.....Oh well....another reason this class doesn't make sense...

[Shawn Johnson]

Is the talk about this being the last season for ported 2v heads gone now?

[KenCook]

next up,
ported e7's then ported 4v
stay tuned.

[Tommy@JPC]

I hope they remove the ported heads, it would only make sense. They've had their shot, so now do it the hard way like the rest of us do.:)

[f/s 4valve]

I hope they remove the ported heads, it would only make sense. They've had their shot, so now do it the hard way like the rest of us do.:)

do i get 27 more cubes.have you lost your mind. how many 2v. have run 30s.
i think weve worked prettty hard.

[Tommy@JPC]

do i get 27 more cubes.have you lost your mind. how many 2v. have run 30s.
i think weve worked prettty hard.

Noone said you haven't worked hard. Have we seen any real non ported 2v's try?

That's why there is a weight reduction. Just like the E7's. I think the NMRA should give you one more try and if you can't do it, screw it.

[Jason Reiss]

Is the talk about this being the last season for ported 2v heads gone now?

Anything is possible. We're always discussing things.

[Rey]

Noone said you haven't worked hard. Have we seen any real non ported 2v's try?

That's why there is a weight reduction. Just like the E7's. I think the NMRA should give you one more try and if you can't do it, screw it.

I tried it but it was in 2004:o

[Tommy@JPC]

I tried it but it was in 2004:o

I know you tried it, but we're talking 2008 now. Steve's program is probably leaps above what 2004 was. So lets keep that in mind. If they put some effort into a good search on 2v stock castings and worked the valve jobs out more than a run of the mill BS serdi. Then we will say ok I guess you need some help. But it hasn't really been done. Just keep in mind an E7 had never ran a 11 sec pass in competition until last year. Weight is key, also TIME. These are the sames heads that were used back then, but technology everywhere else has caught up. Think about it, Carlos ran in the 11's with E7's in BG also, it can be done with a 2v now.

[Rey]

I know you tried it, but we're talking 2008 now. Steve's program is probably leaps above what 2004 was. So lets keep that in mind. If they put some effort into a good search on 2v stock castings and worked the valve jobs out more than a run of the mill BS serdi. Then we will say ok I guess you need some help. But it hasn't really been done. Just keep in mind an E7 had never ran a 11 sec pass in competition until last year. Weight is key, also TIME. These are the sames heads that were used back then, but technology everywhere else has caught up. Think about it, Carlos ran in the 11's with E7's in BG also, it can be done with a 2v now.

I am sure it can I have no doubts. My best pass with unported heads was 11.87 without cams. I just do not know about it running .30's or even .20s and faster and that is where the class will be this year.

[Tommy@JPC]

I am sure it can I have no doubts. My best pass with unported heads was 11.87 without cams. I just do not know about it running .30's or even .20s and faster and that is where the class will be this year.

It's real easy. Steve's program is top notch. They just nedd to do like we did and TRY. Did anyone think an E7 would run 11.30's yeah right.

[KenCook]

Rey, what was your cars best pass at an actual nmra event?

Test passes mean nothing.

[Rey]

Rey, what was your cars best pass at an actual nmra event?

Test passes mean nothing.

I hear ya.
BG 2004 12.04 @ 112 1.71 60 ft.
Stock unported heads. Stock cams.Stock t45. And the 5th pass after engine was put in early that morning. I am sure it can be done. I hope it happens.

[Tommy@JPC]

I hear ya.
BG 2004 12.04 @ 112 1.71 60 ft.
Stock unported heads. Stock cams.Stock t45. And the 5th pass after engine was put in early that morning. I am sure it can be done. I hope it happens.

What was the weight on your car?

Not bad with a junk trans and stock cams. HMMMMMM Why does the 2v need ported heads? When this combo has been 11.8's?

[KenB]

The smear campaign begins. You guys are worse than politicans.

[Rey]

What was the weight on your car?

Not bad with a junk trans and stock cams. HMMMMMM Why does the 2v need ported heads? When this combo has been 11.8's?


My weight was at 2960 at that race.

You should spent all of this energy that your using to kill the 2v combo and search for more holy grail
E7's...geeeezzzz:D

[Tommy@JPC]

My weight was at 2960 at that race.

You should spent all of this energy that your using to kill the 2v combo and search for more holy grail
E7's...geeeezzzz:D


Hahahah, whatever. We have the holy grail E7's. You 2v guys obviously have your short comings, that's why you need ported heads.

[KenB]

Hahahah, whatever. We have the holy grail E7's. You 2v guys obviously have your short comings, that's why you need ported heads.


Acutally we need ported heads to compete with cheaters. :eek:

[Rey]

Acutally we need ported heads to compete with cheaters. :eek:
OUCH!!!! That's gonna leave a mark

[Jonathan Paulk]

Acutally we need ported heads to compete with cheaters. :eek:

Please explain......:confused:

[Ryan Hecox]

Acutally we need ported heads to compete with cheaters. :eek:

Since you quoted Tommy, are you claiming he is cheating?

[KenCook]

Congrats NY/NJ Giants.
Super Bowl 42 Champs!!!
:D

[Dave Patti]

I am sitting here trying to determine what is more likely, the GT40 heads receiving another 100 lbs weight reduction or the political parties ponying up a half way decent Presidential candidate within the next 20 years.

Since both are highly unlikely, I am screwed....

Carry on...

[KenB]

Since you quoted Tommy, are you claiming he is cheating?



Huh? Why would you come to that conclusion? He said we needed ported heads to make up for our shortcomings. I quoted him because my response was to him, that's what quoting is for. I had to correct WHY we need ported heads. How could you possibly take my post as claiming he is a cheater? You guys sure are a sensitive bunch.

I hope you guys don't read rulebooks like you read posts.

[Tommy@JPC]

Huh? Why would you come to that conclusion? He said we needed ported heads to make up for our shortcomings. I quoted him because my response was to him, that's what quoting is for. I had to correct WHY we need ported heads. How could you possibly take my post as claiming he is a cheater? You guys sure are a sensitive bunch.

I hope you guys don't read rulebooks like you read posts.

Ok so I'm a cheater. You said yourself you quoted me and you needed ported heads to keep up with cheaters. So I'm cheating. COOL, so I guess we are some smart MO'FO's to fool tech on our teardown. I will accept you compliments happly:D We're Flattered! :D

[Rick Walsh]

Acutally we need ported heads to compete with cheaters. :eek:

OW HAMBURGERS

[Brr Mrr]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


I Love Factory Stock.......Its all in good fun Boys...Keep it up...Im gonna get bored this year not being in the mix.....

But you all can keep it entertaining...

Brr Mrr

[Eric@JPC]

FYI i am the the only real cheater

get your shit straight!!!!

thanks

[KenCook]

in 2002 I once left some pump gas in my f/s car.
so yes I am a cheater.

now I feel better.