little disappointed...

[JWilson]

Is it just me, or is anyboby else a little disappointed in the Magazines "lack of coverage" for our classes in the last few issues?
I don't mean for myself (although I do like seeing the car in there:D ) but, like Victor got the 1st ever modular win in pure street and really no mention. How about Farmer finally knocking out the cobwebbs their at the end and getting on a roll, no coverage. How close the points were between Farmer, Tommy and Jeff. I heard there was even a close battle in pure street!:eek: And a lot of new guys making their first races, no coverage. I though that all our classes were exciting at the end of the season. I not knocking the mags, just wondering what you guys thought.

Oh well, I am just bored at work.

[KenB]

I hear ya. I was a bit disappointed in the PS coverage on the NMRA DVD also. At least the Modular coverage. They didn't even mention Atco and Victor's accomplishment or much about Brandon either. Oh, the 4v is the bastard child I guess. They did give Steve great coverage. I'm sure it's a case of what info/footage they have.


Ken

[Tim Duncan]

I have noticed it for a long time now.
I only read Race Pages because they have the race coverage I want to see!

[Jason Reiss]

We cover it because we have to. :p I'd rather be writing technical articles that test 13 different air intake kits....:rolleyes:

I would suspect that the majority of the time, the "other" magazine coverage is limited by space - remember, we get nearly a whole book for each race, where they only get five or six pages.

And like Ken says, the video is limited by what they have on tape. Considering they usually only shoot the first round and the finals...

[MP John]

Its all about $$$$$.

Event coverage takes up advertising space.

I expect that the internet and real time reporting will do away with magazine coverage of our sport. We are a small portion of the magazine's audience.

Have you noticed that even Race Pages has been downsized in story depth too.

Now I think the NMRA video did a good job on the drama, just didn't cover everybody in the class. Well maybe it did, I'll have to go thru the vid to see if our entire class is shown somewhere in that segment. But what about the others that qualified first / second and those that won? They seemed to be MIA.

Both Jimmie and Brad deserved to be the highlight of our class video.

[Jonathan Paulk]

Muscle Mustang has been having some descent coverage lately....I noticed in the new issue of 5.0 there sure were alot of ads...Hey, but that is way they pay their bills, pretty soon it's going to be like reading Maxum and Stuff, 3/4 ads and 1/4 cool articles.....

[f/s 4valve]

5.0 was doing good but there up to there old tricks cutting it off with real street. and we all know real streets a bunch of fags.

[Ryan Hecox]

The problem is simple, we dont go fast enough..... forget the fact we only have 289-311 inches to work with and no power adders.... I dont think the majority of the readers even know that. You know, the cars that more closely suit the readers rides. Maybe there should be an article on class rules and limitations. Something to let the readers know what they are looking at. Instead the grab the fastest classes and throw the ET's up and say "WOW! Did you see how fast Kolivas and Tuten went on a drag radial?"

I felt sorry for Victor when the magazine came out. Him and Brandon both deserve some recognition. For their accomplishments at the end of the year.

Jimmy and Brad deserve some recognition for the points battle all the way to the last round of the finals.

Jeff, Steve and Tommy deserve recognition for their points battle all the way to the end. That was truely amazing racing.

Unfortunately the racers don't have a say in it and the magazines obviously have more than enough content to fill them with. Maybe they could have an issue after the event issue with unmentioned highlights? Or maybe they still have more content than they know what to do with.

[Crash Test Joey]

The problem is simple, we dont go fast enough..... forget the fact we only have 289-311 inches to work with and no power adders.... I dont think the majority of the readers even know that. You know, the cars that more closely suit the readers rides. Maybe there should be an article on class rules and limitations. Something to let the readers know what they are looking at. Instead the grab the fastest classes and throw the ET's up and say "WOW! Did you see how fast Kolivas and Tuten went on a drag radial?"

I felt sorry for Victor when the magazine came out. Him and Brandon both deserve some recognition. For their accomplishments at the end of the year.

Jimmy and Brad deserve some recognition for the points battle all the way to the last round of the finals.

Jeff, Steve and Tommy deserve recognition for their points battle all the way to the end. That was truely amazing racing.

Unfortunately the racers don't have a say in it and the magazines obviously have more than enough content to fill them with. Maybe they could have an issue after the event issue with unmentioned highlights? Or maybe they still have more content than they know what to do with.
I have some input... but it can wait ;)

[Bob Cosby]

I turned a couple of friends into enemies the last time I mentioned this, so I'll just pass on any substantive comment this time.

Bottom line: John got it right.

[Kelly Pelrine]

I cant speak for any of the mags, but i will throw this out there.... if any of you want to write up a little something (any class), i will be more than happy to post it on the SC main page. It may not be "print" coverage, but it will be coverage none-the-less. :)

It would be great to have more content on here, for everyone! Frank has done so much for this sport, i would like to be able to keep up the site and give a little something back to him.

[Rick Walsh]

Is it just me, or is anyboby else a little disappointed in the Magazines "lack of coverage" for our classes in the last few issues?
I don't mean for myself (although I do like seeing the car in there:D ) but, like Victor got the 1st ever modular win in pure street and really no mention. How about Farmer finally knocking out the cobwebbs their at the end and getting on a roll, no coverage. How close the points were between Farmer, Tommy and Jeff. I heard there was even a close battle in pure street!:eek: And a lot of new guys making their first races, no coverage. I though that all our classes were exciting at the end of the season. I not knocking the mags, just wondering what you guys thought.

Oh well, I am just bored at work.
I agree , the mag's are getting pretty weak. Before I started racing in the NMRA I had been keeping up with the racing from a couple years back with the better coverage back then in both 5.0 and M/M . It seems they are more intrested and busy with their own featured project cars,and its too bad because I miss the racing coverage, I have to look back at my old mag library too see any real coverage.

[Brandon Alsept]

That and the best of 2007 DVD really came up short in my opinion in every class. I paid the most attention to the classes I watch the most which are R/S, P/S, and F/S.

In P/S if your name was Brad(not knocking him at all just stating my opinion) you barely got a mention, there was no mention of the shootouts, there was no mention of who won the GA, or NJ race, then I squeezed in because it came down to what happened in the finals to who won the championship in P/S. Oh well maybe the next one will be better, or they will get enough ideas of what people want to see in the video for the 08 season that it is a better put together piece.

As far as magazines I hardly even look to them for race coverage. Thats what Race Pages is for and I think they do a very good job at covering as much as they can.;)

[Dave Patti]

I agree , the mag's are getting pretty weak. Before I started racing in the NMRA I had been keeping up with the racing from a couple years back with the better coverage back then in both 5.0 and M/M . It seems they are more intrested and busy with their own featured project cars,and its too bad because I miss the racing coverage, I have to look back at my old mag library too see any real coverage.

That and they are focused on power adder vehicles making 700 rwhp on pump gas. We can be sure if Primedia could increase M/M and 5.0 sales by adding more pages on racing coverage, they would do it.

Actually in M/M and 5.0, the road racing scene receives even less coverage.

[Jonathan Paulk]

I talked to Mike Galimi of MMFF and Mike Johnson of 5.0 at BG last year, they give the editors alot of info and pics about the races, but they editors only puts in the magazine what we see....

[KenCook]

This is why I will not renew 5.0 and MMFF next time.
RP has it all for me.

[Rick Walsh]

Well all I have to say is I had never heard of the nmra until I read 5.0 and MMFF and thats where I got my taste for mustang racing and was reading the better coverage from years past. If your not a member of the NMRA you dont get race pages so no coverage.More people will see your car in news stand mags. than anywhere else,and if they had better coverage they might have better over all sales and maybe racers could pick up more sponsors.

[chanceps]

I am with you guys the coverage on these classes are, well there is none. The mags are gettin week... the only one that gives any info is race Pages... keep up the good work.

[Crash Test Joey]

I have a question for those of you who said you're only going to read Race Pages from now on, because the other magazines don't have coverage of the NMRA (or enough of what you want to see, specifically):

Did you ever read these magazines before you got involved in the NMRA?

I ask because I hadn't even heard of the NMRA until I met Justin Burcham, and I had been reading 25-30 magazines a month for years. I thought Race Pages was pretty cool when I picked up my first issue of it, because it helped me understand the NMRA and learn about the people who race and contribute to the series. But I still have multiple subscriptions to other mags, because there's always SOMETHING of interest in each issue.

To me, reading about racing, cars and the automotive hobby in general is why I subscribe to these magazines. I know that if I only wanted to read about the class I race in, in the hopes of seeing my picture and/or something about ME, I'd have a pretty long wait and what little print there is would be pretty disappointing.

While I do think constructive criticism is a good thing (such as pointing out that the same guy gets all the coverage every month, and the rest of the guys don't) saying you'll cancel your subscription is a little much. That's just my personal opinion, of course. I just think it should be based on an overall dislike or lack of need for a magazine, not just the fact that you don't see your own name in it often enough.

[Jason Reiss]

Sometimes people can't see past the end of their nose...

Of course there are valid concerns about the "other" books, but as I said up above, it's *always* a space limitation for them, where we dedicate the magazine to our racers. But then again...we should, since it's our series, right?

I don't notice much of a change in the "other" magazine coverage, to be honest. And I've got boxes and boxes of MM&FF dating back to 1993. I've also got 5.0's from the very first issue, and plain old Super Ford from before that. Mustang Monthly too. Sure, the look and feel of them are different, but the overall length and information is about the same.

I know KJ, Johnson, and Turner work pretty hard with the contributions to 5.0, and Galimi, Frank, and Evan do the same with MM&FF. But there is a much wider Mustang audience than the NMRA (drag race) crowd. That's why sometimes there are just as many cars in the car show as there are racing...

I do have a question - what could we (Race Pages) do differently? New ideas are always welcome. Not saying we'll take them, but I'd love to hear what you guys think would make our magazine better.

[f/s 4valve]

Sometimes people can't see past the end of their nose...

Of course there are valid concerns about the "other" books, but as I said up above, it's *always* a space limitation for them, where we dedicate the magazine to our racers. But then again...we should, since it's our series, right?

I don't notice much of a change in the "other" magazine coverage, to be honest. And I've got boxes and boxes of MM&FF dating back to 1993. I've also got 5.0's from the very first issue, and plain old Super Ford from before that. Mustang Monthly too. Sure, the look and feel of them are different, but the overall length and information is about the same.

I know KJ, Johnson, and Turner work pretty hard with the contributions to 5.0, and Galimi, Frank, and Evan do the same with MM&FF. But there is a much wider Mustang audience than the NMRA (drag race) crowd. That's why sometimes there are just as many cars in the car show as there are racing...

I do have a question - what could we (Race Pages) do differently? New ideas are always welcome. Not saying we'll take them, but I'd love to hear what you guys think would make our magazine better.

jason i agree with you. but if wour going to cover the event the cover the event mmff does. although it may be small its still there.that helps a bunch when your filling out sponsership apps.because they want to know where youve been seen.

as for race pages doing anything different more of me less of tommy lol.

[KenB]

I do have a question - what could we (Race Pages) do differently? New ideas are always welcome. Not saying we'll take them, but I'd love to hear what you guys think would make our magazine better.
I know you guys are overworked already but I would like to see more accuracy in the coverage. Often times the ladders are screwed up in the coverage or small details like that are not right.

But overall, the coverage always rocks!

[Mike Washington]

as for race pages doing anything different more of tommy and mike and their bad ass 07 and 08 championship car less of me lol.

Fixed.......

I am laying low....hehehe

laters
Mike Washington

[Jason Reiss]

I know you guys are overworked already but I would like to see more accuracy in the coverage. Often times the ladders are screwed up in the coverage or small details like that are not right.

But overall, the coverage always rocks!

Sometimes that stuff gets done right before the magazine goes to print and it doesn't always get the attention it should. We're aware of the issue and it's something we are striving to correct for 2008.

Remember we can't possibly know all of the little details, that's why I'm always asking for help from you guys. But I only wrote PS in 07...I think for '08 we've got a different agenda that you'll all enjoy.

Thanks for the kind words, we really do work hard to try to get it right!

[Tommy@JPC]

as for race pages doing anything different more of me less of tommy lol.

It's going to be the same for you next year Steve :D Lot's of wins coming the pushrods way ;)

[MP John]

It's going to be for you next year Steve

Care to put that in Mid-West english?

[Ryan Hecox]

I'm not complaining about the effort put forth from the editors. Every one of those guys do their best to take as many pictures as possible and take as many notes as they can through out the weekends. I understand space is limited due to advertising which pay the bills. I am simply suggesting they spread the event coverage out to two issues instead of cramming in to one.

The editors will never make everyone happy. There will always be someone left out. I know 5.0 has Real Street at heart, its their class. But when Victor won Atco and was the first Modular to ever win in Pure Street I thought I would have seen alittle coverage from it. Then with Brandon winning Bowling Green and running faster than any Pure Street car had ever been AND winning the event with a modular car, I thought their may had been even a sentence about it.

I am always thankful for any coverage I get. I consider myself extemely fortunate to have been in the ads and on the backdrop of the Promedia PRI Booth.... You guys have no idea what that does for my motivation to keep me coming back no matter how many transmissions I explode. I just hope in the future some other racers can get the recognition they fully deserve especially on special occasions.

[Tommy@JPC]

:D Care to put that in Mid-West english?

doah..

[JWilson]

Remember we can't possibly know all of the little details, that's why I'm always asking for help from you guys. But I only wrote PS in 07...I think for '08 we've got a different agenda that you'll all enjoy.I know you guys are always pushing deadlines, but as far as the facts in each class are concerned, could you have one or two guys in each class proof the stuff for their respective class. You could shoot them an email, we could look it over pretty quick and get right back with you. Some of us need stuff to do at work anyway.:D


Like Ryan said, I am not knocking the hard work any of the magazine guys do at the races. I was just wondering what peoples thoughts were as to why our coverage has fallen off lately.

[Crash Test Joey]

I think for '08 we've got a different agenda that you'll all enjoy.

:eek:



:D

[f/s 4valve]

Sometimes that stuff gets done right before the magazine goes to print and it doesn't always get the attention it should. We're aware of the issue and it's something we are striving to correct for 2008.

Remember we can't possibly know all of the little details, that's why I'm always asking for help from you guys. But I only wrote PS in 07...I think for '08 we've got a different agenda that you'll all enjoy.

Thanks for the kind words, we really do work hard to try to get it right!

what is it girl of the month naked

[Jason Reiss]

what is it girl of the month naked


Man, you need to get out more...

[Jason Reiss]

I know you guys are always pushing deadlines, but as far as the facts in each class are concerned, could you have one or two guys in each class proof the stuff for their respective class. You could shoot them an email, we could look it over pretty quick and get right back with you. Some of us need stuff to do at work anyway.:D


Like Ryan said, I am not knocking the hard work any of the magazine guys do at the races. I was just wondering what peoples thoughts were as to why our coverage has fallen off lately.

I think it's relatively rare that the actual class coverage is goofed up - maybe a name typoed or something, but the facts in the class are usually tight.

You guys do realize that when we put out shout-outs for what happened at the event, that we're using that to write the coverage, right? Even though we are there, we could not possibly know everything that goes on..

What I'm saying is, email whoever writes the coverage for your respective class [we're not hard to find, and if you need to know who it is, ask me] after the race, and your chances of getting in the magazine are far greater.

Right, Yimmy? :D

[Jason Reiss]

Some of us need stuff to do at work anyway.:D

As if the thought of getting electrocuted wasn't enough? :eek:

[MP John]

Originally Posted by f/s 4valve
what is it girl of the month naked

Man, you need to get out more...

I heard he's a sheep farmer too. :eek:

[Jason Reiss]

Originally Posted by f/s 4valve
what is it girl of the month naked



I heard he's a sheep farmer too. :eek:

If that's what you call farming, then yeah. LOL

[KenCook]

poor sheep

[Ryan Hecox]

Just got my new race pages yesterday.... i like it.... I like it alot....

Thanks Jason!

[Jason Reiss]

I still haven't seen it....but you're welcome!

[JWilson]

Just got my new race pages yesterday.... i like it.... I like it alot....

Thanks Jason!If you got yours yesterday, then I should have mine in about 2 more weeks.:eek:

Whats up with that?

[Jonathan Paulk]

Didn't the one with the C-bus coverage and Johnny Lightning on the cover just come out??? Ryan, what is on the cover of the new one?

[Gene Hindman]

If you got yours yesterday, then I should have mine in about 2 more weeks.:eek:

Whats up with that?

Because, that's how much quicker he's going to be next year year than you are, if you don't get your junk to the machine shop.

[Teddy]

Because, that's how much quicker he's going to be next year year than you are, if you don't get your junk to the machine shop.

:eek: :eek: :eek: Guess I'm not the only one behind!?;)

[Dave Patti]

what is it girl of the month naked

Never hurts to add a couple more photos of the ladies...

[Donut]

Didn't the one with the C-bus coverage and Johnny Lightning on the cover just come out??? Ryan, what is on the cover of the new one?


The February cover is the Aeromotive Pro 5.0 car.

[nosdog2]

Comment for Race Pages....

Leave the Billy Glidden storys for the "other" magazine.

[Jason Reiss]

what billy glidden story?

[Crash Test Joey]

what billy glidden story?

I think Wayne-O means any Billy Glidden story ever :D

[f/s 4valve]

billy glidden is my idol

[Tim Duncan]

He is from Indiana and he is fast just like the Farmer.

[John_Zeilinga]

Yeah, I just backtracked a few months and it's true. F/S gets nothing. This could be a much larger more competitive class if there was more coverage on it. This is the perfect class for the street guy. I know I'll be driving my car on the street still. No one believes me that a 2V or a 4V can go mid to low 11's on motor. I love to be that guy that proves everyone wrong. It's just my nature. I'm that hard headed German. LOL

[Tommy@JPC]

F/S gets pretty decent coverage. They gave us the shaft on the Atco and Columbus, but they did the year before also. BG will have some coverage. It is suppose to be close to street car stuff but the short blocks are in left field is comparison. If your running a street short block, you may want an upgrade:)

[f/s 4valve]

F/S gets pretty decent coverage. They gave us the shaft on the Atco and Columbus, but they did the year before also. BG will have some coverage. It is suppose to be close to street car stuff but the short blocks are in left field is comparison. If your running a street short block, you may want an upgrade:)

got the new bullet in the car and on the dyno. all of you might want to upgrade.:eek:

[Fast Orange]

got the new bullet in the car and on the dyno. all of you might want to upgrade.:eek:


That's funny chit right there!:)

[Dennis Merrow]

got the new bullet in the car and on the dyno. all of you might want to upgrade.:eek:


tommy should be all set, saw on another board something like 11.04@121...:eek:

[Tommy@JPC]

got the new bullet in the car and on the dyno. all of you might want to upgrade.:eek:

hahaha. Wait till you see our ride in the FL. :p

[John Leslie Jr.]

You do know Billy Glidden is my "uncle"....:D where do you think my first engine came from back in 01'.

[Tommy@JPC]

F/S gets pretty decent coverage. They gave us the shaft on the Atco and Columbus, but they did the year before also. BG will have some coverage.

I stand Corrected. I Just got the newest 5.0 Mustang mag, with the B.G. coverage and no Factory Stock Pics. We got a blurb about having the closest points chase and my name made it in the Champions box. At least 1 pic of Steve would have been good. They made a great run for the championship.

At least MM&FF came through for us little guys.

I ain't hatin' on 5.0 but that did suck alittle. I just thought the finals would have made it in alittle more with how close it was, 3 combos in the chase, records falling, quickest side by side pass in history.

[Brandon Alsept]

Hey they cover to the class they sponsor and that is it with 5.0. I felt MM&FF did a very good job with the space they were given for there BG coverage.

[Vic Downs]

Feb. Issue 08 Mustangs and Fast Fords Just out.
The Kentucky Klash Starts on pg. 170
Steve and Brandon got a picture and a blurb.
The Bitchin might have done some good.

[f/s 4valve]

Feb. Issue 08 Mustangs and Fast Fords Just out.
The Kentucky Klash Starts on pg. 170
Steve and Brandon got a picture and a blurb.
The Bitchin might have done some good.

its all about victor lol

[KenCook]

I just got the 5.0 Mag with the BG event.
They mention that Shawn was the P/S champ the year before :D and then that was it. Nothing on P/S or F/S at BG. :mad:

[Tommy@JPC]

Yeah, that was a bit of a surprise. All they mentioned in are class was it was the closest points race of all the classes. I guess that wasn't enough to deserve a picture. Oh well, at least the put my name in the little box at the end as being the class champion:rolleyes:

[Kelly Pelrine]

Have any of you actually called or emailed MM&FF or 5.0 with a story of your own? They dont know whats goin on unless you tell them lol. As far as actual race coverage, those types of magazines are not gears towards event results. Aside from the blurbs they put in i wouldnt expect more than that. With an average lead time of 3 months, what sense would it make to put in results that after 30 seconds of it happening someone is on the phone spreading the word. They are more into features and tech articles, so id say if you have something cool going on, id be calling to let them know!

[Dave Patti]

Have any of you actually called or emailed MM&FF or 5.0 with a story of your own? They dont know whats goin on unless you tell them lol. As far as actual race coverage, those types of magazines are not gears towards event results. Aside from the blurbs they put in i wouldnt expect more than that. With an average lead time of 3 months, what sense would it make to put in results that after 30 seconds of it happening someone is on the phone spreading the word. They are more into features and tech articles, so id say if you have something cool going on, id be calling to let them know!

There is truth in this... In 2005, I wrote a brief article on Denny Hiouras (Pure Street) that sparked Steve Turner's interest. End result, was an expanded article that appeared in 5.0 magazine in 2006....

Moral of the story, reaching out to the editors may result in coverage.