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Jonathan Paulk
11-15-2007, 07:06 AM
http://www.nmradigital.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70585
Don't really know the ins and outs of 2007 rules, with diff pulley sizes and the nitrous jet...But, any engine in any car...and added 100lbs to 2V w/blower
Brandon Alsept
11-15-2007, 08:33 AM
And the 5.0 blower car gets a 4.10 gear
Looks like we got a slightly bigger jet.
Ryan Hecox
11-15-2007, 09:24 AM
Looks like we got a slightly bigger jet.
LOL, I like your use of the word "slightly"
was .82, now .91
LOL, I like your use of the word "slightly"
was .82, now .91
Yeah, that's only .09 bigger. I'm new to nitrous but that sounds like a really small amount to me. :D
Eric@JPC
11-15-2007, 09:47 AM
thats a pretty big deal... .91 is rather large to a .82
i think back in the day it was like .1 something though?
If I wasn't clear, I was trying to be funny.
Don't forget, N20 cars are limited to 1 solenoid with no progressive controller. That will be a bit of a challenge. But I'm up for it.
Eric@JPC
11-15-2007, 10:04 AM
thats what the digital 7 is for my friend, that joint is like traction control!
thats what the digital 7 is for my friend, that joint is like traction control!
Isn't that cheating? :eek: :D
No distributor on my Mod Motor. At least not this one.
Tommy@JPC
11-15-2007, 11:06 AM
That's all Eric is good at is Cheating Ken, you know that.
Ryan Hecox
11-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Isn't that cheating? :eek: :D
No distributor on my Mod Motor. At least not this one.
no, it isnt cheating... he said "like traction control" :D
interpretation is Black and White.
Eric@JPC
11-15-2007, 01:08 PM
no gray area here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I would probably not talk much about it. Even though it's not a gray area doesn't mean they can't take it away.
briank@afm
11-15-2007, 01:52 PM
The nitrous jet increase is not warranted with the addition of the weight on the supercharged 2V.
That is all.
:cool:
Jonathan Paulk
11-15-2007, 01:56 PM
Well, I have always loved this class...when I get back from Germany, I will more than likely build a Real Streeter!!! Especially if they keep the any motor any year car rule!!! I have a 84 GT just waiting to go racing!!! FOXMOD!!! Foxular!!!
Teddy
11-15-2007, 11:42 PM
The nitrous jet increase is not warranted with the addition of the weight on the supercharged 2V.
That is all.
:cool:
100#'s added to the blower 2v and an increase of 9#'s on the nitrous jet????? Was Tim really that much faster than Bruce???? I'd like some logical responses to this question. Thanks guys.
briank@afm
11-16-2007, 10:02 AM
100#'s added to the blower 2v and an increase of 9#'s on the nitrous jet????? Was Tim really that much faster than Bruce???? I'd like some logical responses to this question. Thanks guys.
And the pushrod blower cars get a 4.10, BFD!!!:mad:
I don't know what Tim found and I don't really care, that's racin'. I have an enormous amount of respect for both he an Bruce. That said, I do believe that the 100 lbs. on the S/C 2V is accurate from what I witnessed in B.G. I also believe that the jet increase is insane after what I witnessed mid summer at Joliet.
rumor is the jet size is going to change...
Crash Test Joey
11-17-2007, 12:12 AM
And the pushrod blower cars get a 4.10, BFD!!!:mad:
Well if I get 3/10 out of the gear change I'll be all set :D
briank@afm
11-17-2007, 11:05 AM
Pushrod VORTECH cars NEED a 3.47" pulley along with the 4.10 to be competitive. I watched Justin pullin' on Bruce in Bowling Green in that ProCharger car until he got out of it GIVING the round win to Bruce.
Crash Test Joey
11-18-2007, 03:59 AM
Pushrod VORTECH cars NEED a 3.47" pulley along with the 4.10 to be competitive. I watched Justin pullin' on Bruce in Bowling Green in that ProCharger car until he got out of it GIVING the round win to Bruce.
Bruce doesn't have a Vortech, so it's irrelevant. And Bruce ran 4/10 off his normal pace so it makes it a moot point anyway :D
Teddy
11-18-2007, 06:11 PM
wow, lots of views and only 2 responses on the huge swing in rules for 2v procharger and nitrous:confused: :confused:
mv performance
11-19-2007, 02:17 PM
100#'s added to the blower 2v and an increase of 9#'s on the nitrous jet????? Was Tim really that much faster than Bruce???? I'd like some logical responses to this question. Thanks guys.
Looking back at the season, I can answer that Teddy, NO! I was not and have not been any faster 1/8 mile times. I understand that I set records look at Atco: I set the record at a 9.79 and Bruce went an 83. Look at Columbus, Bruce Qualified with a 9.80 I was no.2 with an 85. Finals I went 9.90 To his bobbled shift 10.04 oh ya @139.07 which was ran in 3 Finals in a row. Now look at BG I reset the record 9.739, Bruce fresh off a week earlier wreck, ran 9.90 that is not a 2v SC cars fault that His performance had suffered but guess what a 100# and a .09 in jet.
mv performance
11-19-2007, 02:21 PM
[QUOTE=briank@afm;15888]The nitrous jet increase is not warranted with the addition of the weight on the supercharged 2V.
That is all.
So Brian you are saying you all can run with Bruce but not with me, I have been there in the other lane when a Blower car should back half better and didn't.
briank@afm
11-19-2007, 07:10 PM
[QUOTE=briank@afm;15888]The nitrous jet increase is not warranted with the addition of the weight on the supercharged 2V.
That is all.
So Brian you are saying you all can run with Bruce but not with me, I have been there in the other lane when a Blower car should back half better and didn't.
I'm sayin' that it's my belief that we could come close to running with you, with the extra weight, and Bruce, without the extra jet. But, seeing how we (Vortech/Paxton pushrod cars) received a 4.10 gear as a token of appreciation for thinking about returning next season, I'm sorry to say that "We" still need the 3.47" pulley in order to ACTUALLY run with the both of you.:o
By the way, in case you've not heard, Grandpa got to come home yesterday!!!
Shawn Johnson
11-19-2007, 08:54 PM
How about figuring out what it takes to run with Tim as is without the weight.
Tim is not the only one being punnished with these rules.
I will not be back with ANY weight added....
The more weight that is added to this STUPID gear rule will only cost us more and more in parts.
It is already going to be more expensive next season because of the gas prices going up. Lets start taking weight OFF instead of on!
Crash Test Joey
11-19-2007, 10:48 PM
How about figuring out what it takes to run with Tim as is without the weight.
For my car, it will take an F2. I think I have a couple days left to submit my request...
mv performance
11-19-2007, 11:14 PM
[QUOTE=mv performance;15976]
I'm sayin' that it's my belief that we could come close to running with you, with the extra weight, and Bruce, without the extra jet. But, seeing how we (Vortech/Paxton pushrod cars) received a 4.10 gear as a token of appreciation for thinking about returning next season, I'm sorry to say that "We" still need the 3.47" pulley in order to ACTUALLY run with the both of you.:o
By the way, in case you've not heard, Grandpa got to come home yesterday!!! Great News!!!!!
I posted the numbers do you see the need for a 100#?
What if Brian qualified 1st at almost every event and was in the finals in all but maybe 1 or 2 and at the same time won a few of those finals. But was never added any weight or looked at very closely oh and won a championship, Hey wait a minute ,.I just described 2005 and 2006 I don't recall him getting a 100# do you? So what makes me any more special that I need to be punished, I was told you need to work harder and what did that get me?
I could see the need for the weight if there was a huge difference in et and mph. but you are talking about slowing us down close to two tenths in et with that much weight. As far as a pulley I maybe could see that but then again there has not been a consistant representation of a Vortech-Paxton pushrod combo.Washington improved every single race, and I don't think he we have seen the best of him yet.
And yes that is great news!! Lisa and I knew he was a tough one. Can't wait to see him back at the track.
briank@afm
11-20-2007, 10:13 AM
But was never added any weight or looked at very closely oh and won a championship, Hey wait a minute ,.I just described 2005 and 2006 I don't recall him getting a 100# do you?
It must have been my imagination, tearing the engine down to a piston and rod for the Tech Department on some 3 or 4 different occasions:rolleyes: .
Let's face it, we would all prefer to go back to the rules of 2005, but, it's not looking like that's going to happen. And, now is the time to argue, hopefully without hurting everyone's feelings, that each of our combinations is in need of help.
What if Brian qualified 1st at almost every event and was in the finals in all but maybe 1 or 2 and at the same time won a few of those finals.
You need not bring up the qualifying position as we all know that you don't run your stuff hard until you need to in eliminations. That's not a shot at you, so please don't take it that way. As Bruce would say, just stating the facts. I've stated on numerous occasions that everyone got to see how fast our car was every time it went down the track, qualifying or eliminations. No games, just good ole' fashion, Come Get Some. :p Man oh man, I miss bein' in all that!
mv performance
11-20-2007, 02:46 PM
Who is running next year? I know there was 7 at Bradenton this past March.
Who is running next year? I know there was 7 at Bradenton this past March.
As long as I can get the car finished in time and not blow it up before Bradenton, I'll be there. :D
Shawn Johnson
11-20-2007, 05:23 PM
I'm waiting to see the final rules.
briank@afm
11-20-2007, 06:12 PM
Maybe, we'll just have to wait and see.
Crash Test Joey
11-20-2007, 08:13 PM
I'm in as long as the divorce doesn't wipe me out :mad:
mv performance
11-20-2007, 11:31 PM
All please go to the NMRA RS forum and read my post on my rules proposal.
I feel the any and all of you should have some input-opinions.
http://www.nmradigital.com/forums/showthread.php?p=317621#post317621
NXcoupe
11-22-2007, 11:25 AM
I'm in as long as the divorce doesn't wipe me out :mad:
That's why I wasn't out this last year. I needed time to recoupe and get some breathing room in my budget to come back with a good effort. I will be in Bradenton for sure.
Crash Test Joey
11-22-2007, 06:38 PM
That's why I wasn't out this last year. I needed time to recoupe and get some breathing room in my budget to come back with a good effort. I will be in Bradenton for sure.
Sucks. I hope it doesn't sideline me, my first year was a blast and I was just looking at ideas on what to use to replace the "rookie driver" sticker on the back of the car.
Jim Coger
11-29-2007, 06:19 PM
either the weight or the jet, not both.
If I remember correctly a .009 increase(or 11%) in jet diameter is a .001223 increase in 2 dimensional area(or 23%).(assuming the end of the jet is a circle.)
.091 diameter is .0455 radius = area .006504
.082 diameter is .0410 radius = area .005281
So from a .082 to a .091 is a 23% increase in area?????
I must be wrong, 23% seems huge. What am I missing? SOmeone educated on this please chime in. Should I not be using area as a comparison? How about volume?
I understand wall thinkness plays a factor but I'd say the difference in wall thickness between a .091 jet and .082 jet is negligible.
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