Any Interest in a Drag Radial Class ????

[302man]

I was just wondering if there were/are any people interested in creating a limited Drag Radial class.

The 325's that all "real drag radial" guys run is tuff act to follow. The 275's seem to fit almost every car out there, and there is a HUGE following to boot. So I am leaning towards that possibility right now.

The reason behind this is the 26x8.5 tires break down to easily. The sidewalls simple are too small to handle good power for more than 2 races consistantly.

I would rather race my car on drag radials over the 26's .

Besides...OSM could be the FIRST in the area with a true drag radial class ! :D In my opinion, OSM needs to set them selfs a part from the other 2 organizations, give them a reason to race here, show them something different that they can't get somewhere else.

Just an idea.

Tim

[BrianSteuerwald]

I like it!! I think everyone that runs in any of the small tire classes can agree that the tires just don't last on low 6-high 5 second cars. You figure you go through 4-5 sets a season and there's $1200-$1500 just in slicks. Plus, I think we could steal some business from the other sanctioning bodies by giving them the opportunity to try something a bit different. Just my 2 cents. Either way looking forward to this weekend.


Brian Steuerwald

[stangfireman]

Too bad you guys are so far away. Check out the rules for the naturally aspirated Goodyear Drag Radial class at http://www.ramracing.us/drrules.htm
This year Ron Rhoades has gone 9.40 with a small block in a 68 Camaro. Beautiful car also.
See what you think of the rules.

[Kelly Pelrine]

Now is the time for suggestions. We already changed up the 10.5 rules...get me some data together & who would be interested in switching to the DR and Gary & I will think on it. Even if not for this year then possibly for next. We'd like to keep you all happy!

[sprayn93coupe]

I like it as well, that way I dont have to change tires for a drive on the street. Thanks Jason Brunck

[Kelly Pelrine]

P.S. you guys know that you can put a DR on and run True Street right? :)

[metal383]

I would be interested,but just how long do the drag radials last?I like the sound of the 275's , same as my street tires.302 man or aka tim you do have a very good point about the tire bill its pertty stiff:eek: I tryed to make 3 races but just wouldnt hold up.My hats off to every body who has made it in the 5's cause it aint easy,took me 3 years and alot of money! AaronWarner M1978

[dave rudisell]

radials last me 2 years when i ran bfg's but the newer m/t's last about 30 passes. i am all for radial racing, i know radials, just a little.
rock on!!!

[turbodragradial]

I am totally interested I am building a new car for next year and would really like to have a local track to race at full time. Kelly if you have a small DR class not 325mm count me in sounds great!

[fast_87mustang]

I am all for the Drag Radial as well.... I think that is a great idea compared to the 26X8.5 tire... From what I have heard from all my friends that run them they last a whole season... make it a 275mm tire and keep all the other rules the same...

See you guys this weekend... hopefully this N/A car can hang with you guys at 2750... I dont think it has a .70 in it though... :confused:

[302man]

Sounds like to me you can probably replace "Outlaw 8.5" with "Drag Radial 275" !!!!

I know you can run a drag radial in any class, but its not too fun carring a knife to gun fight.

To me, this can/should be an entry class, add some rules so you can attract more cars. Its hard for people to want to join if they know they are out gunned.

[Victory Ray]

I think if you leave the rules the same as Outlaw 8.5 and use a 275 M/T the cars will easily run the same, if not faster, than they do now. But I also think the class would have a bigger car count.

Personally, I would rather run on the radials. So if you do decide on the DR 275 class, I'm in..

Ray McIntire

[Mark Keiser]

Would everyone be against BFG's only??

[Victory Ray]

I would like to see the M/T allowed, but thats just my two cents..

I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks..

[302man]

My big thing is the 26 x 8.5's just plain suck. They break down to quickly. Sure we can go fast on them....but at a very short duration when compaired to a 28" slick. The sidewalls break down to easily. The drag radials have a much stiffer wall and are more stable up top. With the speeds that are ran, mid 120mph passes are/could be considered a little "crazy" to some people. At least thats what I have heard anyway.

[Victory Ray]

I agree, the 8.5 tire does suck, but I do think it would "work" better than the BFG 275. And, I understand that people want to try and keep the cost down, but they have to remember that this is heads-up racing at its finest. I love the OSM Outlaw 8.5 class, and i would hate to see what would happen with these same rules on an even more traction limited tire.

In my opinion (and i am no expert), i think the M/T 275 DR would be closest to the 8.5, and would last considerably longer.

Ray

[302man]

I am with you 100%. I would like to see a few rules added to keep the class somewhat slower. Just so you don't have the 325 guys dropping in. If the power levels are not kept down, the class will not grow, therefore it will become stagnet.

[fiveohpatrol]

I like the idea, and limiting it to a 275 will maybe help keep out the "big dogs" from coming in with their 325/50 low 8second 1/4mi cars.

I also think allowing any brand 275 will bring more cars, since that is a very popular size to run on the street and people can come in and run on something they might already have, whether it is M/T, BFG, Goodyear, Nitto, or hell even a Pepboys Futura 275 if they want!

The only problem is, just like any "entry level" class, it will eventually get out of hand. That being said, I think it should start off as a more street oriented class. I'm just thinking car counts here because I know I'd be interested in running this class (only runs 6.80's, on slicks) but if they came out running bottom 6's right out of the gate, there's no way I would waste the gas just to be a 1st round clown.

Maybe start out as a naturally aspirated, ~360 max cube class, and give a weight break to the guys that drive their cars to and from the track :)

There are a LOT of details that would need to be ironed out, but it's a great idea.

-Drew

[stangfireman]

Maybe start out as a naturally aspirated, ~360 max cube class, and give a weight break to the guys that drive their cars to and from the track :)


-Drew

I know Perky runs N/A on 275 M/T's with a 345 ci Ford and he's run some 9.80's or faster. :) Think his weight is around 3000. But he wouldn't get the driven to the track weight break. LOL

[dave rudisell]

i started my racing career racing the bfg 275's and i ran n/a at 3200lbs and ran a best et of 9.54@146 mph. if you allow m/t tires it'll be just like slicks. these new m/t radials are really really good tires. make it mandatory bfg's
as far as safety!! bullshit!! i ran over 400 passes on the 275's and never had a problem other than on the line reving my motor to the moon, ha ha
either way you go, the 8.5 slick or the bfg 275's it'll be a tuners race.
the only reason i can run good on 275's is because i have been racing the small tires and radials for 6 years. and yet from time to time still blow them off.
if i don't sell my car i'll be there again in 07 regardless of what you do.
take care and see ya all saturday

[86NotchGT]

Well i just got my car together with the 8.5's. I would at leasr like to see you finish out the season on them.What about running both tires in the same class?It would take some doing as far as rules to keep it fair but i hate to see you do away with the 8.5 class all together.Just my opinion.

[metal383]

It sounds like to me that its a general thought that everybody is in agreement with the change.with 275 though, keep the tire small and outlaw that dave guy with all the experiance on the drag radial.:) Just kidding dave!
This would be a great change for next year so speak your mind racers,this is the only way this will change,are you listening Kelly? Aaron Warner m1978
See ya sat!

[Kelly Pelrine]

I am watchin :)

[302man]

I have been doing some "research". After talking to some other Drag Radial guys, to keep the speeds down, it sounds like we need to try and go with a spec tire. The BFG, not the Mickey. This will be an advantage to Dave R. but thats fine with me.

I don't think that we should change the rules for the rest of the year, its just an "interest post" for suggestion for next year.

For what its worth, the class sponcer is for it and said he is willing to work with the OSM. He feels that it would make for better racing and be safer.

[dave rudisell]

did i mention my car IS FOR SALE!!!
21K TURN KEY ALL PARTS AND BOTTLES INCLUDED, I'LL THROW IN FANS CHAIRS, COMPRESSOR, JACK EVERYTHING, HELL, I'LL EVEN GIVE YOU MY TRAILER TOO, I'LL TAKE A TRADE ALSO!!!

[quick1973]

Hope the only thing that changes for the class is the tires. Just getting new car together for late this year or next.

[fast_87mustang]

Do not... I repeat do not!!! Make it a spec tire... if anything offer a weight break for the so called "Street" radials... that way a guy can buy what he wants to buy... or if someone already has a car that fits the class he can run without spending any money... more will come if they can do that...
from what I hear BFG is working on a better radial anyways... so if you go and make it a spec tire... then eventually they will have that new tire out and it will be just like the Mickey or M&H tire.... I agree to leave the class alone for now and just change the tire... offer a 50lb break for any street radial.... and leave it at that...

T.J. Strange

[Victory Ray]

I agree 100% with T.J.

It would also be an easy rule to implement..

[turbodragradial]

I agree with TJ and Big Country 100% this class needs to be kept on a somewhat low budget. I don't like the idea of a spec tire at all. I plan on running NMRA and FUN FORD true street and OSM. So if I am allowed to run 275 60 15 M/T Drag Radials (or whatever 275 60 DR)I only have to buy one set of tires and wheels. You could also get higher car counts the same way as NMRA and FUN FORD did by giving incentives to the slower cars. Like say $50.00,gift certificate, or a trophy for the closest to 6.0 and 7.0 average. Just a thought look at nmra and fun ford true street they usually are near a 100 on there car count. It's simple if racer's think they have no chance of competing they aren't going to race thats why there needs to be some kind of incentive for the slower cars to race because without the slower cars in the class there is no class! It's a catch 22 I hope you come up with something good Kelly so we can all have a class to race in next year with good car counts!

[metal383]

radials last me 2 years when i ran bfg's but the newer m/t's last about 30 passes. i am all for radial racing, i know radials, just a little.
rock on!!!

Dave if i can get one season or 6 races out of a set of bfgs i would be jumping for joy!If we make a change i think this is the way we need to go.considering this post got started on the 8.5 lastin only 2 races!If the ets stay the same maybe this could be a really good thing for the racers budgit and car count. Aaron Warner m1978

[dave rudisell]

thats why i loved the bfg's they worked great on the first pass and on pass 200. i only have one set of rims, there is a place in every town that will change tires cheap. so the post above says you need 2 sets, no, 1 set is fine. i have ran 29-10.5's, 28-10.5's, 275/15/60's, 325's and 315's radials, bfgs and m/t. actually i have tested tires for mickey thompson for the last two years in a closed weekday test session at norwalk and bowling green.
i owned the very 1st set of m/t radials weeks before they were availible.
i can say that m/t makes the best "radial" tire of all company's. but i'll also say they ruined what radial tire racing was about. it was about a tire that was hard to hook up and took alot of work to make hook, and power really was'nt the issue. with the new m/t traction is'nt a issue anymore.
they are basicly slicks. any idiot can make a m/t radial work, but it takes a pro to make a bfg work.
bfg has been looking into a newer radial for years, but i don't see anything coming out anytime soon. they sell millions of there current drag radial now to real street cars. the demand for a drag radial slick is not that high.
the market is already saturated with m/t and goodyear.
ok, i have said enough.......all i want really is a place to run a really small tire close to home and not have to burn my stuff up to compete.
my car is entry level, buy it today for 21k
take care

[86NotchGT]

Well if you are going to have a DR class anyone with the initials DR should get a 200 lb weight penalty.:D :D :D

[dave rudisell]

ha ha ha, sure stick it to me, i have more lead than the iraqi army does.
if you want to hurt someone in the class make them weigh less, the weight helps with traction, why do people put weight in thier trucks when it snows, think about it, ha ha
dave(drag radial)rudisell

[Victory Ray]

well, i did some looking into the M/T 275/60/15 last night. their are a couple guys on the west coast that have run 7.80's in the 1/4 on that tire. i know im contradicting myself, but i dont think that is a tire this "entry level" class would want to get into with the current rules. before you know it their will be guys running 5.30's and 5.20's, and i know i cant hang with that. i love the rules the way they are and i believe dave r. is right with the 275 bfg.

ray

[302man]

...i'll also say they ruined what radial tire racing was about. it was about a tire that was hard to hook up and took alot of work to make hook, and power really was'nt the issue. with the new m/t traction is'nt a issue anymore.
they are basicly slicks. any idiot can make a m/t radial work, but it takes a pro to make a bfg work.


I think the BFG NEEDS to be the "spec" tire for this class. How else are you going to keep it from getting out of hand ???? Make people work at it.

[Victory Ray]

i agree..

and its a good tire for the guys who drive their stuff on the street too.