Nitrous cars need what?

[Redsnk95]

First round Bruce lays down the number and good mph...interesting.

Come on Brian find some 60ft.

Troy

[Chris Fillyaw]

Just wait until Bruce puts down a 9.80.

[ISSUES]

Just wait until Bruce puts down a 9.80.

in the FINAL!!!!! :)

[ISSUES]

Congrats Bruce on BOTH wins this wekend!

congrats to mark as well for driving his ass off to get to the finals.

[Chris Fillyaw]

Congrats to all of the RS guys. It is still one of the best classes to watch in my opinion and it was great to see a slight increase in car count.

[brian@afm]

First round Bruce lays down the number and good mph...interesting.

Come on Brian find some 60ft.

Troy

When we did find some "60", we were still .10-.15 too slow:(, that's how it seems anyway. It's gonna be a long trip for the fella's when they go to Atco with a knife in their pocket when Bruce gets to bring his UZI:rolleyes:


Never the less, Congrats goes out to Bruce for both of his wins this weekend.

[ISSUES]

When we did find some "60", we were still .10-.15 too slow:(, that's how it seems anyway. It's gonna be a long trip for the fella's when they go to Atco with a knife in their pocket when Bruce gets to bring his UZI:rolleyes:


Never the less, Congrats goes out to Bruce for both of his wins this weekend.

not to start anything considering i dont run this class but FWIW, Brian wasn't complaining the first 2 races when he had the rest of the field covered by .15, was he?

you use the "knife to a gunfight" analogy, correct me if im wrong but i seem to remember both brian and bruce in the MI final. didnt BOTH of them qualify with 9.99's? wheres the unfair advantage? i guess either brian stumbled ever so slightly and the NOS cars were able to catch up or maybe the NOS guys just figured their tune out? maybe im just blind but i dont see an unfair advantage anywhere, what i see are 2 cars that are pretty evenly matched.

personally i think that after finishing up #2 two years in a row, Bruce has the tune set meltdown so he can finally claim that elusive #1.


just stirring the pot a little more :)

[brian@afm]

not to start anything considering i dont run this class but FWIW, you werent complaining the first 2 races when you had the rest of the field covered by .15 were you? No, I wasn't complaining, I was saying that Bruce needed to quit complaining and bring out the car that would run the competitive numbers instead of lobbying for the NMRA to make a rules revision to bring the blue car a little closer. The blue car is still a bit behind, shall we give the nitrous cars 4 more jet sizes?:confused:
you use the "knife to a gunfight" analogy, correct me if im wrong but i seem to remember you and bruce in the MI final. didnt BOTH of you qualify with 9.99's? wheres the unfair advantage? i guess either you stumbled ever so slightly and the NOS cars were able to catch up or maybe the NOS guys just figured their tune out? i dont see an unfair advantage anywhere, what i see are 2 cars that are pretty evenly matched. I guess you missed Bruce's Victory lane interview when he said he got what he asked for which was more than he needed.
personally i think that after finishing up #2 two years in a row, Bruce has the tune set meltdown so he can finally claim that elusive #1. Keep thinking:rolleyes:


just stirring the pot a little more :)

Bruce is one helluva racer. I have a lot of respect for him and his ability. I have no issues with Bruce, he played the game well and won.

[Jonathan Paulk]

Ummmm...that yellow is hard to read in the light grey.....interesting class.....some close racing....

[brian@afm]

Is this better?;)

[Justin Burcham]

The unfair advantage for the weekend was definitely mother nature. The air was horrible and Bruce and Mark brought their own. I feel for the blower guys racing in this heat, as I once was one. I know how bad it sucks to have your car .10 to .15 off just because of the air. On the other hand, if/when we have a race with good air, it might be Bruce who has a hard time keeping up. Bruce did a great job this weekend. His 60 foots were stellar, missed no shifts, and I believe his worst light was an .053, consistently in the .040s. He’s gonna be tough to beat. My hat’s off to Bruce and his crew, they did a great job. I too enjoyed seeing a couple extra Real Street cars in the lanes.

Congrats to Mark as well for finally getting my blue car in a Real Street final. Thanks to Mark and all the guys that helped out this weekend. See ya in Atco!! :D

JB

[ISSUES]

Bruce is one helluva racer, he played the game well and won.

well we all know how to play the game, right now bruce is just playing it a little better than others.

even though the blue car is still off pace from the rest of the field, you give them some more time to sort things out and its gonna be right up there with the white and yellow cars.

Can't wait to see what happens in Atco.

[brian@afm]

even though the blue car is still off pace from the rest of the field, you give them some more time to sort things out and its gonna be right up there with the white and yellow cars.

Thank you for agreeing with me, it's much appreciated. The blue car needed more time to be refined, not 4 jet sizes.

Y'all have a great evening, ttyl!

[ISSUES]

[/COLOR]

Thank you for agreeing with me, it's much appreciated. The blue car needed more time to be refined, not 4 jet sizes.

Y'all have a great evening, ttyl!

I'm just callin it like i see it. Be it 2 or 4 or 10 jet sizes, even you know the NOS cars needed "something" to be competitive.

Whats done is done and as a result its gotten ALOT more entertaining to watch you guys.

[brian@afm]

I'm just callin it like i see it. Be it 2 or 4 or 10 jet sizes, even you know the NOS cars needed "something" to be competitive.

Yep, they needed to bring the white car. :rolleyes:

[Bruce Hemminger]

The way I look at it is that I need more jet. I have ran 9.998,9.994,9.989, with a best mph of 134.73. Those are facts. The AFM car has ran a best of 9.933 and a HUGE 137.30 MPH!!!!

Brian you fail to listen in on how I also said I did not think the car would run as fast as it did. So now who is playing the game!!! Mention or type only to what you want others to know. We all knew that the rules would need to be adjusted due to the changes that were made from last year. Maybe you are a little upset that the nitrous cars cought up to you sooner then you would have liked. Look at it how you want, but since the 4 jet size rules change we have been .009 apart. That is as close as it is going to get.

[Bruce Hemminger]

SHALLOW VICTORY??????

WOW!!! That is a shame that you feel that way. All I can say to that is good luck to you in GM Racing.

[Ed Curtis]

Just enjoying the whole "rules deal"... :D

Amazing how people's "views" change like the wind when the rules changes go their way and then when they don't...

To think... NMRA banned me from their site for voicing the same "views" about rules changes in the past. Nice to hear the same concerns from the "boys" now... ;)

... where's that LSX Modified Production rules sheet??.... :D :eek:

Ed

[brian@afm]

The way I look at it is that I need more jet. I have ran 9.998,9.994,9.989, with a best mph of 134.73. Those are facts. The AFM car has ran a best of 9.933 and a HUGE 137.30 MPH!!!! Fluke, 1-time deal. You keep quoting facts just as long as they suit you.

Brian you fail to listen in on how I also said I did not think the car would run as fast as it did. So now who is playing the game!!! That was my answer after Brian's car was quickest at the first race, difference is, I was serious:eek: . Get your own response. With regards to "The Game", I don't play games, Brian and I push each other to bring everything we have to the line every pass. Mention or type only to what you want others to know. We all knew that the rules would need to be adjusted due to the changes that were made from last year. Maybe you are a little upset that the nitrous cars cought up to you sooner then you would have liked. Look at it how you want, but since the 4 jet size rules change we have been .009 apart. That is as close as it is going to get.


I'm truely not upset, really. I'm disgusted. BIG DIFFERENCE. :cool:

[Ed Curtis]

Yeah but you don't see us using the names of persons involved with the series;)

No sense in hiding the facts behind "screen names" or inferences...

When the NMRA officials spoke "specifically" about me, they should only expect the same type of rebuttal... "PERSONAL"

Need me to get the "quotes" from the parties involved??? ;)


We all knew once Bruce got the suspension on that car upgraded he would fly. Mark Wilkenson has been dying to help ol Brucey out. The car needed work on the chassis to win, not a jet change.

Robin

Remember this???? (http://www.stangcrazy.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8607&postcount=33)

Ed

[Redsnk95]

Nitrous cars do not MPH like a blower car...so that to me is not an area to compare. Bruce's car works well in the first 330ft, as well as the rest of the track.

My question is parts breakage. I know the nitrous cars were going through pistons left and right when Bruce and Chris T. were running....b/c they were having to push the tune so hard. Now with the increased jet size, are they having to push the tune like they did in '02-'03.

All in all, give the blower cars some gear back we all know they need it.

[Jonathan Paulk]

Why give them anything, they were only .10-.15 behind....that is only a car length!!! When it is better weather, maybe the nitrous cars might be that much behind....what do you blower guys want, to be dominating again?????? The last two races, the top two guys were barely a .10 apart. LEAVE THE RULES ALONE. We had the same crap over in FS, the pushrods were .3-.5 apart, that is a reason to complain, not .10..you can make that up in the reaction (go deep). I have been following this class ever since it started, I was building a car for this class in 2002, until y'all went nines. I love this class, the 10.00 window is perfect. Didn't Brian go 9.90s in Bradenton????? The reason I stuck with FS is because of Justin's help. I will not be racing at all next season, so don't complain to me about coming out in RS next year, I want to race RS, but maybe a couple years...if it ain't dead from all this complaining about ONE TENTH!!!!! Maybe we won't have another heat wave in Atco, and the blowers will get their .10-.15......A TENTH!!!! That is close racing for heads up........

[brian@afm]

Why give them anything, they were only .10-.15 behind....that is only a car length!!! Only a car length? That makes it ok? If you're a .10 off in Pro Stock, you don't even qualify! I've seen Hot Street fields that are all within a .10. When it is better weather, maybe the nitrous cars might be that much behind....what do you blower guys want, to be dominating again?????? The last two races, the top two guys were barely a .10 apart. LEAVE THE RULES ALONE. We had the same crap over in FS, the pushrods were .3-.5 apart, that is a reason to complain, not .10..you can make that up in the reaction (go deep)."Going deep" isn't gonna cut it when you're .13-.17 slower at the other end of the track in a low 10 to high 9 second car. I have been following this class ever since it started, I was building a car for this class in 2002, until y'all went nines. I love this class, the 10.00 window is perfect. Didn't Brian go 9.90s in Bradenton????? The reason I stuck with FS is because of Justin's help. I will not be racing at all next season, so don't complain to me about coming out in RS next year, I want to race RS, but maybe a couple years...if it ain't dead from all this complaining about ONE TENTH!!!!! Maybe we won't have another heat wave in Atco, and the blowers will get their .10-.15......A TENTH!!!! That is close racing for heads up........

Bruce would have to be eating a 3-course meal at the tree in order to get out on him enough to be competitive at the stripe. Go Deep, please...???????:rolleyes:

[Jonathan Paulk]

Good thing we don't race Pro Stock, huh?????? The rules are pretty good making TOTALLY TWO DIFFERENT POWER ADDERS closer for better racing. It sure was fun watching last season when the difference was bigger that .10... BORING!!!! Like watching FS last season!!!! At least this year you have no idea who is going to win....a little tire spin, hang the hoops a little to long, who knows....the racing is better and I don't forsee the rule makes making any changes....the more changes are made the more you drive people away....The qualifying for the MI race was Bruce 9.994, Brian 9.998. HOW MUCH CLOSER YOU WANT!!!! Brian out MPH Bruce, and Tim and Robin had 133 mph, too...The heat is what killed the blower cars at IL. According to weather.com, it's supposed to be in the high 80s for the high, maybe you'll get your .10-15 back there....?????

[Ed Curtis]

Good thing we don't race Pro Stock, huh??????

Yup..

'cuz NHRA would tell you to go fk yourself if you whined as much as some people do in the NMRA...

Follow the rules, STFU and race... You could always run in another sanctioning body or or just sit at home...


The rules are pretty good making TOTALLY TWO DIFFERENT POWER ADDERS closer for better racing. It sure was fun watching last season when the difference was bigger that .10... BORING!!!!


Boring? Maybe all the rules changes caused this....:confused:


Like watching FS last season!!!!


LOL Read above!


At least this year you have no idea who is going to win....a little tire spin, hang the hoops a little to long, who knows....the racing is better and I don't forsee the rule makes making any changes....the more changes are made the more you drive people away.


Rules changes are only allowed when they benefit "your" camp... Be it juice or huffer...

Sorry but this whole deal of trying to make each combo "even" just doesn't play. Leave things alone and let the better players win...

Unless you want to play with "individual" drivers/cars... Then Bruce gets a smaller jet than Mark...:rolleyes:


The qualifying for the MI race was Bruce 9.994, Brian 9.998. HOW MUCH CLOSER YOU WANT!!!!


Wasn't there but when were each of these runs completed?

Incrementals, DA and such?


Brian out MPH Bruce, and Tim and Robin had 133 mph, too...The heat is what killed the blower cars at IL. According to weather.com, it's supposed to be in the high 80s for the high, maybe you'll get your .10-15 back there....?????


So are you saying we need DA correction factors???

Check the weather and then pick the pulley size and jet diameter???:confused:

I still think if a team feels the "power-adder" they have is insufficient, pick another one!

Ed

[brian@afm]

Timing is everything!, and I'm not talking about the tune-ups. Bruce had a car all along that could be competitive but yet he chose not to race it. The NMRA made a revision for the car that was not competitive. Out comes old faithfull in white and blue to bring it all home and make the NMRA look the fool. Just the facts:)

I, personally, have not asked Tech for anything, nor will I, that's up to Mr. Meyer and the rest of the drivers. I don't mind being on the losing team, when I know that I have a shot at being on the winning team. Hope y'all enjoy Atco!

[Ed Curtis]

Robin...

Call me...

Ed

[Jonathan Paulk]

Ed is right, you cannot compare passes from different tracks/times/DA


Robin

But isn't that the way NMRA Tech makes rules changes???? I am not on any sides, I try to stay neutral, even though the cars in question are sponsored by JPC. For once I agreed with everything Ed said...BTW Robin....the 2006 FS rules are NO WAY SIMILAR TO THE RULES OF YOUR DAY!!!! Stock brakes, heavy clutches, no spools, no lightweight axles and etc, NEED I SAY MORE!!!!!! Brian ran 9s at Bradenton, YES OR NO???? Now when a nitrous car runs 9s BOOH HOO HOO!!! :p The Blue car sure is alot of junk to out MPH you Robin, I would be embarrased to call something junk that out MPH my car......BTW my car is JUNK and it is the quickest pushrod in FS!!! :D :p :p

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[Bruce Hemminger]

Robin,

HMMMMM. Doesn't Brian have the record at 9.933!!!!! And the MPH record at 135.89. YES HE DOES!!!! And if I am correct it was 2000-2500 ft CA. which is not that good!!!

I have ran a best of 9.989 at 134.73. that is over a 1/2 a tenth slower YES SLOWER then his record, and in Michigan we were .009 apart. What are you b!tching about. I still am behind.

You can throw around the whole shallow victory B.S. and the whole MFing of the NMRA B.S. too. Your letters to the NMRA were not so angel like yourself. I am not going to sit on the internet and sink to your level. I will just beat you on the race track and so will the JPC blue car!!!!

[Bruce Hemminger]

Ed,

Brian ran 9.998 in the 1st round of qualifying, and I ran 9.994 in 2nd round. probably 1-2 hrs apart.

[Ed Curtis]

Ed,

Brian ran 9.998 in the 1st round of qualifying, and I ran 9.994 in 2nd round. probably 1-2 hrs apart.

Hmmm....

Any DA differences or other track type "info"????

Just being nosey....

Ed

[Jonathan Paulk]

Aren't blower car suppose to out MPH nitrous cars any ways.....I have also gone faster in testing with the FS car. So go and tell Jamie, actually he does read this stuff, but doesn't sign-in. He knows what is going on. NMRA does not care what happens in testing, only what happens during qualifying and eliminations..I am not crying about the mod motors, the rules finally have us nearly equal...There is a big difference from crying and stating facts...I am not sad my car can't keep up, If you knew how much money is not in that car, you wouldn't believe it could make it down the track, BTW I am 3rd in points. Not bad for a car that can't keep up.....I am sorry you think that the blue JPC car is a POS, and not as nice as your '05....Good luck racing with the GM cars...You should of seen the GM crap that was at Joliet..It looked liked a test-n-tune night here at Capital!!!!

Anyways, all this typing and gripping isn't going to help, the rules are not going to change unless the nitrous cars start running away, more that .10-.15...that is just fact. See yall next race with my slow a$$, non-competitive car!!! Actually I am going right now to work on my piece of junk....


Does NMRA take in account the DA when they look at ETs between the different combos?????

[ISSUES]

im still failing to see what the big problem is here:confused:

the white car has gone the best of what? 9.98? and the yellow car has gone 9.93?

where does the complaint factor in? MI was seperated by .004 and IN THE HEAT this past weekend @66 it was .13. of all people, you blower guys know d@mn well that you would be a little slower than the NOS guys in the heat and now youre crying foul and gonna MF the rules to anyone that will listen. it would seem more to me that the basis of the case being presented is nothing more than you blower guys not having a .10-.15 cushion anymore.

as a spectator to this class im not gonna go the route of some others and call said blue car junk (it just doesnt seem to work as well as other cars do), but as i seem to recall, the blue car never even ran in the 9's even under the old R/S rules.

what has me even more lost in all of this is the fact that Robin, a man who finally won a race and who has been a well represented stand-up spokesman for the class thus far, is gonna sit here and cry UNFAIR ADV about the NOS cars, tell some others that voice an opinion to go race F/S, and call Bruce's win "shallow" WTF Robin? i also failed to mention that you've also come out and said that you WILL NOT be racing NMRA after this season, instead you will be piloting a Sh*tvrolet Nova (Spanish translation for Nova = No Go)

although i wish you well in the NMCA Robin, i really hope you done complain as much over there cuz you really are a nice guy.

done taking jabs for now.

[ISSUES]

Good luck racing with the GM cars...You should of seen the GM crap that was at Joliet..It looked liked a test-n-tune night here at Capital!!!!

completely unrelated to this thread but if i recall, most of our down time in Joliet, other than rain, was due to breakage and oil downs from GM cars.

peferct example:Sat night "THE JUDGE" GTO kicks something out of the motor past the starting line while doing the burnout. the smoke NEVER clears, the crew members CONTINUE to back the driver up instead of shutting thar car off and proceed to spew oil on the track from approx 400' out all the way back to the starting line. at least fords tend to stay together :)

just though t id throw that out there LOL

[Bruce Hemminger]

Ed,

I do not have that info here with me. I will check my logs to see. I can't see it being any different then +/- 100ft and 2 deg.

As far as track conditions I ran a 1.41 60 ft 1st round, used the info that I got on that run and made changes and ran 1.35 60ft in the 2nd round.

[Bill Glidden]

I believe that I have more experience in race cars and how they work, than about all you folks combined! Bruce was racing a car that I feel did not work well, this on top of not having the same power, made him look dumber than we all can already look? But I will also say this, none of you have any room to be complaining here!!!!!!! Your cars are not working well at all, and the most pathetic looking car out there? robins. What a piece of crap that thing works like!!!!!!! How about getting off here and get to work! If you are too ignorant to make the correct changes? Well being here, or anywhere else, complaining about others, will not fix it!!!!! Good grief! BG

[Bill Glidden]

Hey Bruce! Time for you to wake up! All these folks that you talk so highly of? well they sure have no problem tieing you to the bumper and getting into the fast lane. You true friend, BG

[Ed Curtis]

Good luck racing with the GM cars...You should of seen the GM crap that was at Joliet..It looked liked a test-n-tune night here at Capital!!!!

Showing your true immaturity there... :rolleyes:

[Robin]

I believe that I have more experience in race cars and how they work, than about all you folks combined! Bruce was racing a car that I feel did not work well, this on top of not having the same power, made him look dumber than we all can already look? But I will also say this, none of you have any room to be complaining here!!!!!!! Your cars are not working well at all, and the most pathetic looking car out there? robins. What a piece of crap that thing works like!!!!!!! How about getting off here and get to work! If you are too ignorant to make the correct changes? Well being here, or anywhere else, complaining about others, will not fix it!!!!! Good grief! BG

Good advice Mr. Glidden

I apoligized to Bruce last night in regards to several of my comments. He made several good points regarding the power adders. I then removed my posts as I told him.

I value my friendship with Bruce and he knows that.

If you want to fan the flames here feel free. I have been working on my pile of crap and will be testing some more today.

I am done with this thread.

Have a great day!:)


Robin

[Ed Curtis]

Ed,

I do not have that info here with me. I will check my logs to see. I can't see it being any different then +/- 100ft and 2 deg.


Geez... that's a negligable difference...


As far as track conditions I ran a 1.41 60 ft 1st round, used the info that I got on that run and made changes and ran 1.35 60ft in the 2nd round.

Better keep that trick to yourself. ;)

Some people would kill for .06 drop in the 60 footer...:eek:

Thanks...

Ed

[Jonathan Paulk]

Showing your true immaturity there... :rolleyes:


Sorry Ed, you weren't there. You have no idea about the junk that was trying to race....so be quiet:p

[Ed Curtis]

Sorry Ed, you weren't there. You have no idea about the junk that was trying to race....so be quiet:p

I've seen some pretty crappy FORDS blowing up all over the place too so don't be so narrowminded....

Ed

[Jonathan Paulk]

BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!! This thread is useless......

[Eric@JPC]

http://www.racersden.net/forum/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[ISSUES]

things seem to look pretty evened up now, dont they.

congrats once again on your third straight win bruce.

[Bruce Hemminger]

I have worked very hard at getting my car to run consistent. I ran 9.955 1st round, 9.953 second round, and 9.946 in the final. That is a variance of .009 throughout eliminations. Consistency is what is winning races for me.