F/S death toll updated.

[Al Papitto]

F/S death toll Bradenton/Reynolds

Steve Gifford. 1 clutch/Flywheel, 1 G Force T-5, 1 clutch, 1 Ring/Pinion, 1 G Force T-5
Jeff Schmell. 3 clutches/Flywheels, 1 G Force T-5, 1 driveshaft yoke,1 Clutch /Flywheel
Brian Marr 1 Clutch, 1 3650 TREMEC Did not compete at Reynolds..

I may be speaking out of turn, I think Shawn is on his fourth clutch, and also had rear end damage.

Thats over $18,000 in breakage in the first two events.

Updated..
Shawn Johnson killed another clutch at MG in the final round.
Jeff Schmell destroyed another G Force trans testing at Milan today.
Steve Gifford decided to cut his losses and parked his brand new 4V on the engine stand following the Reynolds race. His last minute 2V combo so far has run about the same numbers as his 4V . Things were looking up for Steve, Until Fri. night. Add another G Force T-5 to the list.
The updated tally is now around $30,000 for the first three events.

[f/s 4valve]

al you need to update again friday night testing gave claim to another trans . second gear started to rattle coming down the return lane. after 5 passes of 12.0 runs.

[Al Papitto]

al you need to update again friday night testing gave claim to another trans . second gear started to rattle coming down the return lane. after 5 passes of 12.0 runs.


You have broken almost as many parts as I have. The F/S guys are causing a shortage of 9310 gear steel.

[Ryan Hecox]

I feel so bad for you 4v guys. I dont know how you do it. Myself, I would put the gears in I want and go play in MM or something... make it fun again

[jackchan]

I'm sure the carnage is high, but $18,000 isn't a true to life figure.....I'm sure there is some good parts left in one of those G force T-5's left.???

but it does suck to have major breakage like that....hopefully the rest of the season won't be so hard on em.....then again maybe a pushrod car will beat em in at least one event lol
Ben

[KenCook]

Was this new carnage with the 2v or 4v?

al you need to update again friday night testing gave claim to another trans . second gear started to rattle coming down the return lane. after 5 passes of 12.0 runs.

[Brandon Alsept]

Was this new carnage with the 2v or 4v?


It was with the 2V, but was the tranny out of the 4V and I am sure was near death when we switched it over anyways.

[Shawn Johnson]

Update:
Along with the clutch in the finals at the grove the driveshaft broke at the trans end.... trans was apart and the imput shaft needed some repair. No reverse in the trans... cann't fix till after MI... Trans making bad noise had to order another gear set for when it comes apart....
We are up to five complete clutch (plate/disk/flywheel) combos...
These are matched sets...
Still searching for just the right combo that will last..... RPS has been great working with us. We are asking for a lot out of the clutch and they are hard at work coming up with new parts to test.... Bad part is we will probably find the right combo at the end of the season...

Shawn

[jackchan]

Bad part is we will probably find the right combo at the end of the season...


I hate to see how fast you go when you find the right combo!!!:rolleyes:

[f/s 4valve]

i dont think al is off by much my calculator says im at $7200.00 for three trans and 4 clutchs that does not include fixing this one.

[Jamie R.]

Dang Steve, you could have bought my whole car for not much more than that and been pushrod power:D

Jamie R.
Owner of a pre-crazy rules F/S car

[f/s 4valve]

sounds good to me jamie.but i am kinda tied in with these guys that call there shop modular depot.wish i would have hooked up with someone from transdepot.

[Eric@JPC]

I broke a Trans Testing on Friday

[Jonathan Paulk]

I injured one at MG, bent output shaft, twisted input shaft, and broken shift fork....this is crazy!!! I also hurt one in GA; broken shift forks, and other stuff. That is the one that Eric hurt again in testing.....

[Eric@JPC]

I injured one at MG, bent output shaft, twisted input shaft, and broken shift fork....this is crazy!!! I also hurt one in GA; broken shift forks, and other stuff. That is the one that Eric hurt again in testing.....


I think i busted the 3rd gear Dog Ring

[Shawn Johnson]

Time to update again:

Columbus 390 gear rule cost me..

Had to buy 322 first gear T5 trans at track.
ring and pinion
will have to have another custom aluminum drive shaft made

Jeff's blue cars damage will need to be added also...

[FS MACH1]

The blue car needs a gear now too, let alone a waste of money to go to the track going out first round because of breakage of same ol parts....especially when you had the guy next to you cevered..i know thats racing but the expense is getting way out of hand........

HERE IS A WINING SUGGESTION::give us gear back for the finals, they top 2 spots are 4v cars and they are only battling each other for first and second...

how about saving us some money at the end of the year and give us a gear back so we can finish a race without breaking a trans, gear drive shaft suspension and so on...let us just race the better car wins..5.0s can run in the 30's and 40's 2v showed they can run 50's probably 40's we know the 4v's can run 40's and 50's with a gear without tearing crap up...LETS make the FINALS fun for all ...

JUST A WHINY THOUGHT AND PRAYER >>>>>>


TOM please hear our WHINE i'll bring Cheese

Brian (reduced to whining )

[Jonathan Paulk]

Ummmm a pushrod car has not run 30s and only ran a 40 once....when we run 40s at will and occasional 30, you can get your gear back....sorry......BTW my motor is still at the machine shop, and hope to be ready for BG....add that to your deathtoll, too...along with Mike's tranny and the two trannys that I have broke this season....

[FS MACH1]

Reguradless of what u or i have run johnathon we all know what the cars should run. OK

The point is im tired of breaking sh?!t for no reason at all.. when a simple gear change will solve all of my breakage problems..

also the way my car hooks it wouldnt run no 50's or 40's it would run just the same as or close enough to the rst of the top guys..it could still come down to a light..

Give me a break.....u know what will solve this problem..

See ya
Brian

[KenB]

The points battle is waaaay to tight to be changing the rules going into the final. It affects way more than just the 4v.

Let's say we do give you the gear and because of it, you take out Steve first round. He would probably go from 3rd to 8th.

You still have time to throw a 2V in!


Ken

[Shawn Johnson]

Ummmm a pushrod car has not run 30s and only ran a 40 once....when we run 40s at will and occasional 30, you can get your gear back....sorry......BTW my motor is still at the machine shop, and hope to be ready for BG....add that to your deathtoll, too...along with Mike's tranny and the two trannys that I have broke this season....


Why is your motor broke?

Why did your trans break?

Was it becuase you have a rule against your combo made to slow you down (Till others can catch up with their programs) that is breaking all that stuff over and over again??? Did the same parts break more than one time this season because of this???? If not STFU

[Shawn Johnson]

The points battle is waaaay to tight to be changing the rules going into the final. It affects way more than just the 4v.

Let's say we do give you the gear and because of it, you take out Steve first round. He would probably go from 3rd to 8th.

You still have time to throw a 2V in!


Ken

I remember Steve yelling about the gear rule at the beginning of the season....

Why did he change to a 2v again?

[Jonathan Paulk]

Yep the motor is hurt. Ran 80s before NJ, thought it was the slow 60ft, and ran 12.0s at NJ, had the heads redone, still ran 12.0s in testing......yep we, Team JPC, are breaking trans too. I broke one at GA, one at MG and one at IL, and Mike broke one at OH....hmmmm, that's 4 trans in one season, so far.....I don't think they broke any trans from 2002-2005????? I might be wrong. But I know they only changed the trans once in 04, diff 1st gear at KC, and I didn't change a trans in 05.....Yep the rule of no racebrakes, no spool and no aluminum clutches, slowed us down more than it slowed you down.....all that rotating weight; stock brakes, steel pressure plates, and etc, hurts us too.....I personally didn't ask for the cam and headers...

But don't go whinning about the rules that everybody talked about at OH for next season; 05 rules for pushrods along with the cams and headers, and give the gear back to 4Vs. I know the 4V can run 30s, seen it in 2005 competition, but I have only seen the 5.0 run a 40 once in 2006, but have not seen one run 50s, in competition. Don't think the rules makers make changes based off what a combo should run or ran at home track testing....but what it has run during competition. I am really sorry about the 3.90 gear, it is not fair that you keep breaking, it wasn't my idea, that is your combo though, maybe you should of ran a 2V. Eric is running pretty good......NMRA had to do something to have parity in the class, guess the 3.90 was a bad idea, maybe they shoud have used a restrictor plate?????........but a 4V is going to win the Championship, probably you....

[Brandon Alsept]

Yep the rule of no racebrakes, no spool and no aluminum clutches, slowed us down more than it slowed you down.....all that rotating weight; stock brakes, steel pressure plates, and etc, hurts us too.....I personally didn't ask for the cam and headers...




I would have to kinda disagree on that statement Jonathan. I think everyone has suffered about the same from these parts. I seem to remember sometime after these rules came in afect the 5 liter guys claimed it slowed them down .4 , so with some math that would put Mike @ a 11.06. These are #s you guys where saying not me making them up. So yeah I think a 4V combo should be alowed to run at least a 4.30 gear and everyone get 05 drivetrain parts back. Then after a few races next season make some adjustments "IF" they are needed.

But, I guess this is what the meeting at BG should hopefully settle for all of us right;)

[Jonathan Paulk]

Is 11.0s what we really want for the class???? Yes, the 06 rules did slow us down 4 tenths and slowed down the 4V 2 tenths. So....my statement is correct, it slowed us down more than the 4Vs.....You don't see it that way???? I, Jonathan Paulk, did not ask for cam and headers.......

[Shawn Johnson]

Is 11.0s what we really want for the class???? Yes, the 06 rules did slow us down 4 tenths and slowed down the 4V 2 tenths. So....my statement is correct, it slowed us down more than the 4Vs.....You don't see it that way???? I, Jonathan Paulk, did not ask for cam and headers.......


You are agreeing with Ken and the rest of us and you don't know it....

What was discussed at Oh is 05 drive train rules for everyone.. that includes gear..
Lets see the 5.0L are running atleast 50s already 2v are ruiing 50s already..
give then the drive train back .... by your math the 5.0L will run 11.10s (.50 - the .4) and the 2v will be running 30s (.50 - .2)
The 4 valves ran consistan 40s with the 05 rules so as of right now by the 5.0L guys math the 4 valves are needing MORE HELP... This will be the argument you will here at BG so get ready for it...

05 drive train rules for EVERYONE. 4v keep their heads. everything else the same...

[Jonathan Paulk]

Hey, it wasn't my idea about the new rules.....I am against them.....I am not trying to agree w/ Ken and everybody else just stating facts......but hey, didn't we agree not to discuss them on the forum????? By your math, yes the 5.0s will be in the 11.0s...uh oh and the 4v will be running 30s......sorry.....like I said not my idea....Who's idea was it??????? Might as well get some new heads and go run PS.......How much discussing about the rules is in that class????

[Eric@JPC]

I agree that Next year the 4V should have a min of a 4.10-4.30 Gear.

For you guys (being 4V) what Breaks More parts Gears or Weight?

in my honest Opinon the Brakes Spool Ect Slowed Everyone down equaly, i just belive the 4v guys found a better way around it, Leagally offcorse. Casue i know if all cars were locked in a closet all winter and no adjustments were made they would both Lose the same, Becasue weight is Weight no matter which was you slice it!

All i want to do is see a feild like Atco and no one breaking their $hit

Is that too Much to ask?

[FS MACH1]

NEVER MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

This wasnt suppose to be a debate it was merely a request to save on Damn parts...

Does everything have to be a FU!?Ing debate with you johnathan????

I was not trying to offend anyone or piss anyone off or start the next season rule debate, FOR NOW JUST END IT....

See ya at Bowling green ( SHAKE AND BAKE)

Brian (ONE OF :cool: NEXT SEASONS TOP CONTENDER NO MATTER WHAT THE DAMN RULES ARE)

[Eric@JPC]

No hard feelings Brian. I should not of put my Opinion Up, I knew we said we would not dscuss it i just got alittle ahead of my self thats all.

See ya in BG with a cooler full of Beer

[KenCook]

Add one windshield to the pushrod breakage.
Lets see a mod top that. :D (Sorry Carlito, trying to lighten it up in here)

[Jonathan Paulk]

Lol Lol Lol Lol!!!!!

[Ryan Hecox]

Lol Lol Lol Lol!!!!!


Hey Jonathon, STFU!

Learn to drive, use better parts and break less shit. The 4v guys are breaking high end top dollar shit. You are breaking 4 year old junk.

[MP John]

Learn to drive, use better parts and break less shit. The 4v guys are breaking high end top dollar shit. You are breaking 4 year old junk.

Ouch !!!!

[Jonathan Paulk]

Ryan, Shhhhhhhhh...but you do have a point.....

[FS MACH1]

I think Ryan has said it Best!!!!!!

Johnathan U did miss the whole point of Wine and cheddar....

But thats ok i bought another useless 390 gear for the last race (brand new as all my parts have been)...

And some more new suspension stuff, whats sad is when the blue car hooks it shreds gears or transmissions...I could of bought your car and then some...
But thats the way it is RACING IS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See ya all at BG

Ill be praying the gear and trans holds up for this Final race...Say one for me too, so it will be a race and not a give me.....

WINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Brr Mrr
LOL:cool:

[Ryan Hecox]

Ofcourse I did.

I saw the writing on the wall before I left.

I feel the 4v should get the gear back (doesnt make them that much faster) and it will put them back in the running with the ported heads and aftermarket cams everyone else got. Atleast for the final race. Its supposed to be fun while working hard.

I think Ryan has said it Best!!!!!!

Johnathan U did miss the whole point of Wine and cheddar....

But thats ok i bought another useless 390 gear for the last race (brand new as all my parts have been)...

And some more new suspension stuff, whats sad is when the blue car hooks it shreds gears or transmissions...I could of bought your car and then some...
But thats the way it is RACING IS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See ya all at BG

Ill be praying the gear and trans holds up for this Final race...Say one for me too, so it will be a race and not a give me.....

WINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Brr Mrr
LOL:cool:

[FS MACH1]

Well HERE IS SOME MORE CARNAGE

we put the car on the hoist to change the gears today from the breakage at the last race and found out we get to pull the trans and send it out ( GUESS WHAT?) BROKEN..............

Not only did it kill my rearend but my trans too......

I dont know why i keep spending money to break more shit>>>

IM stupid for doing it...not next year though...NO WAY NO HOW....

ONCE AGAIN WE NEED GEAR OR THE 4V WILL BE EXTINCT FROM THE CLASS....

Pissed off and wining....................................

See ya at the rules suggestion meeting at B.G. Someone bring the booze, I'M broke from all the parts money ive spent.....AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Brian:eek:

[Brandon Alsept]

LOL maybe the booze should be held over until after the meeting :rolleyes:

[Jonathan Paulk]

IM stupid for doing it...not next year though...NO WAY NO HOW....




From the words of Dennis Merrow ....... "Racing Is Stupid"