5.0 article on Pure Street!

[jackchan]

How many have read the newest 5.0 Mag (and super fords) and read the article about the pure street car running 11.13 at 120 plus? According to Ed...that guy has $16k in his engine, and that a "up front" top of the class guy has $30k in an engine. Is this true? Are did they mean to say....that amount in the whole car???

If that amount is correct......all I can say is WOW!@:eek:

I built a big block/automatic coupe a few years back that ran high nines for less than $20k.....for the whole damn car!

I guess what they say is true, it takes money to go fast......but damn $30k for a competitive engine in Pure Street.....no wonder Gene took off a year or so!!! That is UNreal!
good luck to all you pure streeters! I sure hope you guys get plenty of sponsors....;)
Ben

[ISSUES]

$30k nah, P/S motors get ordered right from either ATK or Jasper for like $2500 :D

[Jonathan Paulk]

LOL LOL 11.13 @120!!!!!! In a PS car....you might see FS cars run that by the end of the season!!! LOL LOL LOL Hey, Ben...I know how to easily spend about 10k on just the short block!!! Sponsors do help, also being in the right spot at the right time helps, too.....

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

LOL LOL 11.13 @120!!!!!! In a PS car....you might see FS cars run that by the end of the season!!! LOL LOL LOL Hey, Ben...I know how to easily spend about 10k on just the short block!!! Sponsors do help, also being in the right spot at the right time helps, too.....


Hey Jon....Don't laugh at the 11.13 P/S cars man:D I'm hoping to get to the 11.50's this year;) I got a Junk yard motor from u-pull-it....Driver carries and has No cash!!!:D

[Teddy]

30k in the engine......damn no wonder my car is so slow.....I need to spend more money!?:rolleyes: 20k in a pure street engine is more realistic, if starting from scratch and building top notch from the get go.

[Jonathan Paulk]

20k sounds about right...after all the small stuff...

[Ed Curtis]

Break it down in small chunks...

Short block

Heads

Induction

Valvetrain

Oiling system

Machining

Go ahead and see what you get... $30K is not unbelieveable...

Ed

[ET/MPH]

HEY JONATHAN PAULK THATS MY CAR YOUR LOLOLOLOLOLOL ABOUT.
You shouldn't be crack'n on a car that goes 11.13@ 122mph . Thats not bad for stuff i had laying around considering the intake was box stock,the heads were nothing extravagent. Most guys don't pull 1.42 short times their first time out. That car wasn't even tested until that weekend. It takes people a lot of time to get their chassis dialed in and to find more power.If you read the article that was with a stock computer with no chip, or any kind of management system. I did all that without any sponsorship or hand outs. That $16k engine isnt even in my car yet.
NOT BAD FOR A NO NAME RACER !!!!!

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

Must be nice to Be Denny!!! I'm honored to even know you:D

[Jonathan Paulk]

I wasn't laughing at your car, I was laughing that you might see those times in FS this season!!! BTW, the car looks awesome!!!

[Teddy]

I just built a new engine except for the heads, all new valvetrain in the heads though. Factor the cost of the heads when purchased from Rich Groh and the entire engine top to bottom and I was still under 20k. That was with a set of custom built stainless headers. I just dont want people to be scared out off running this class thinking it cost 30k to build an engine yes 20 is still expensive but still 10 shy of 30. And yes it is all top notch parts ie: Dart block. billet crank and rods, custom pistons etc............please dont think this is a pissing match, I just want the class to grow and not to be intimidated by a costly engine...even though 20 k is still ALOT of money.

[Ed Curtis]

I just built a new engine except for the heads, all new valvetrain in the heads though. Factor the cost of the heads when purchased from Rich Groh and the entire engine top to bottom and I was still under 20k. That was with a set of custom built stainless headers. I just dont want people to be scared out off running this class thinking it cost 30k to build an engine yes 20 is still expensive but still 10 shy of 30. And yes it is all top notch parts ie: Dart block. billet crank and rods, custom pistons etc............please dont think this is a pissing match, I just want the class to grow and not to be intimidated by a costly engine...even though 20 k is still ALOT of money.

Can you "fill in the blanks" on my post then Teddy...

I know the cost of things such as the Dart block and custom pistons are easy to obtain but just put prices you paid next to the catagory...

Billet crank:

EDIT... prices vary from $1985 to $2725 depending on supplier and options

Billet rods:

EDIT ... prices vary from $1200 to $1400 depending on manufacturer

Valvetrain:

Dart Block:

EDIT ... prices vary from $2050 to $2349 depending on vendor

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think you may have forgotten a few things since you already have some pieces whereas other have to start from scratch...

Ed

EDITTING as I find some mail order prices that "anyone" can research with "google"...

Total as of this time: $5235
block
crank
rods

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

Yes...the sponsor DO help out alot( Cash, Free parts,Parts at cost etc.) but your still gonna have to come out of your pocket somewhere down the line..Some guys have an Machine and/or engine builder "On call" just incase something happens or the need their bullets services"quickly"...I was luck this year to have some help. We won't set the world on fire but we won't be behind the 8 ball this year either.

[90GT398]

This class get's on my radar every once in a while as a class I would like to try but do you really need a billet crank to be competitive? Billet rod's?

[Ed Curtis]

This class get's on my radar every once in a while as a clas I would like to try but do you really need a billet crank to be competitive? Billet rod's?

Do you?

Not to be competitive... but I didn't bring up billet...

However... "IF" you want to step up to the plate and run with the Ron Anderson's of the world, you need to buy the best piece the FIRST time around... After all... short of blowing the damned thing up... How often are P/S guys replacing cranks and rods?

What is the actual cost of a billet, ~34 pound, 3.008" stroke, tricked out Ford crank anyway? Who REALLY knows the cost? How about a set of steel 450 gram billet rods? What I found in five minutes just knocked off over $5K from the $30K quote and there's still no mention of heads, intake and machine work. Then there's pistons, rings, camshaft and other peripherals. Let's see the real cost...

Never a peeing contest Teddy.... Do you really think the truth is scaring people away from P/S? What I said was to bring up more of a reality check than a scare tactic. There's no sense in disillusioning a future racer with incorrect costs where they end up getting only halfway through the project and run out of money.

Yes there are less expensive ways. Used parts. Less exotic pieces. However, don't complain if the results are mediocre when compared to someone who has spent the money.

I don't even want to touch on effect of "rules changes" that cost the racers even more than these exotic parts. Now there lies the "real" problem with racing!

Ed

[Andy Burnett]

Youre pretty close so far Ed, at least I think so. $2000 shipped for a Dart Sportsman is attainable. You yourself have a $1200 crankshaft for sale that can be cut down to to 2" rods and Ion Nitrided for about $500. I think there is a slight compromise there though versus a new forging like Gene had. I think a crankshaft similiar to his would be in the $3200 range. Rods in a reasonable time frame are $1750. 8 Pistons with a few tricks, $1200. Ring package $500. Flywheel $300. Balancer $300. You can spend $300 on a timing set. Pan and pickup $300. Cam and lifters $400. Machine work, assembly, and paying a professional builder for his knowledge on how to make this stuff work $younameit.

Andy

[Gene Hindman]

I personally spent over $22K on my engine 3-4 years ago. The price of parts has increased since then. Just my heads cost me (At a deal) $3800. The rods were almost $1700. Billet crank was $2400 and then the block cost me $1800 (now $2100), also pistons cost $1000 plus coating and not counting the pins and rings and bearings, machine work, cam, timing chain, roller thrust bearing plate, lifters, dog-bones and spyder, oil pan, oil pump and shaft, ARP bolt kit, timing cover, water pump, balancer, flywheel, seals, gaskets. You get the point. I believe a "top-notch" engine will cost nearly $25-$27K if it's Fuel Injected.

[90GT398]

Thanks for the reality check gent's wow.

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

Yes it's rather expensive to run this class...Now that you have the Motor Done you have to get to the events$$$$$$$$

[REN#4106]

Yes it's rather expensive to run this class...Now that you have the Motor Done you have to get to the events$$$$$$$$


Ya now take that and put a power adder on it and then the fun really starts

[rocky]

20,000 if you pick the right parts the first time but can anyone that has been racing actually say that they put all the right parts together the first time. If you can actually say that then let me know and i will start getting my parts from them . Then you have the rest of the car to spend money on . I bet you would be suprized how much money goes into the whole setup trying different stuff .

Rocky

[Teddy]

20,000 if you pick the right parts the first time but can anyone that has been racing actually say that they put all the right parts together the first time. If you can actually say that then let me know and i will start getting my parts from them . Then you have the rest of the car to spend money on . I bet you would be suprized how much money goes into the whole setup trying different stuff .

Rocky
You are absolutely correct Rocky. I dont think anyone has picked the right parts from the get go. Hell I've had 3 diff. shortblock so far, 2 different sets of heads, 4 different intakes, tons of clutches/gears/trannys. two diff carbs etc.....the list goes on, are we at 100,000k yet.....probably

[rocky]

Teddy, with all the money we got in these cars maybe we could go in on a sso car . Even if we were not competive we could at least get on tv and get recognized. Not trying to scare anyone off but after florida 05 when i ran a 10.62 i have spent close to that 20,000 trying things and I just now ,over 1 year later beat that time about 2weeks ago , and i still need more things for the car. Maybe i will be ready by michigan .

Rocky

[Teddy]

come on now, bring that black bullet to MG and have some fun

[rocky]

Teddy , I would love to but the cars best et so far is a 10.50 at 128.7 and that was my only pass in the 50s so far. I still got a few more things to try and i have completly run out of money. Hopefully it will be sorted out by Mi .PA is 90% out of the question at this time

Rocky

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

Hey Rocky...10.50's sound competitive to me:D Atleast your car has made a pass this year...I'm still waiting to get the car back fron the chassis shop and get to the Dyno and then test & tune late this month and all of June..We'll be in the 10's but just not sure where?...Cya you in Michigan.

[Mark Whitney]

It all depends on what you want to get out of racing. I just liked doing it. I had around $7,500 into my engine and ran the shortblock for 3 seasons (never felt like tearing it down). I changed heads and intake once, tried a couple of cams, but that's all I really wanted to do. Still had a blast, learned a lot, met some great people and was fairly competitive (at the time). I finally popped a couple of heads off the valves and that was the end of that motor ;)

[ISSUES]

It all depends on what you want to get out of racing. I just liked doing it, learn alot, meet some great people

thats the only reason im taking a stab in this class. i just dont have the means to run with the ron's, brad's , gene's in the P/S world. im just optimistic that i can get my car together and sorted out enough to get it in the hi .60's. (hell, 10's period would be an accomplishment for me).

[Ed Curtis]

thats the only reason im taking a stab in this class. i just dont have the means to run with the ron's, brad's , gene's in the P/S world. im just optimistic that i can get my car together and sorted out enough to get it in the hi .60's. (hell, 10's period would be an accomplishment for me).

Contact Darin Hendricks... He's got some great deals on some P/S parts...

Ed

[BigEd]

Alright guys, as most of you know I bought Andys old car and had it out for the first time last night at Cecil. Had a blast, but still have a lot to learn about the car and how to cut a light with a stick. My best time was 12.1 while Andy was running 11.0 with Perky's tune on the car. I have done nothing to it except for change the plugs and fuel it up.
Will I see you guys this year, probably but not running P/S unless I change a few things. Perky told me the exhaust is illegal since it is 3" from header to tail pipe. But I will still continue to pratice and get seat time in to be at MG and Atco.
I can tell you all. Buy a running car and be done with it! I talked to a few ppl and got a boat load of opinions about finishing what I had or buying something finished. If I had to finish what I had I will still be sitting out another year. Don't let the price scare you either, I know what Andy told me he had wrapped up in the car and I have a pretty good idea of whats in it and parts I have waiting to be installed and I probably still would not come out near the top of the pack. But its about learning, having fun, meeting new ppl and making friends.

[Ed Curtis]

Well now... there goes the neighborhood! ;)

Ed

[ANDY CAROLA P/S5125]

Good job Ed.you will get into the 11's call me . sorry i have not called you busy with my newborn. but maybe you can bring it up to mason dixon so i can help you into the 11's good job andy mir i ran 11:10 121.00

[ISSUES]

Contact Darin Hendricks... He's got some great deals on some P/S parts...

Ed

Ed,

PM me his contact info and i'll do just that.

thanks

[Redsnk95]

Check the classifieds...lots of parts from Darin.

Troy

[ISSUES]

Check the classifieds...lots of parts from Darin.

Troy

under what screen name?

thanks in advance.

[Teddy]

I think, that u are refering to two different Darin's. D. carter has a bunch of parts for sale on the classifieds. Darin Hendricks has a bunch of stuff for sale not listed. If u p.m. me your # I will call D. Hendricks and give him your name and number.

[KenCook]

Steve Mobley has his old P/S heads in the classified section.

[PBMracing]

You were asking about Darin's stuff for sale? I just posted it for him in the classifieds. Seems his computer is about to face its demise after something about going out a 2nd floor window...

Here is a link
http://www.stangcrazy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1175

Thanks Frank!

[ISSUES]

thanks guys, i've got his # now.

[BigEd]

Well now... there goes the neighborhood! ;)

Ed

Watch it little man!
Said I would try. I am not promising anything unless I can learn to cut a light with this thing. :D

[BigEd]

Good job Ed.you will get into the 11's call me . sorry i have not called you busy with my newborn. but maybe you can bring it up to mason dixon so i can help you into the 11's good job andy mir i ran 11:10 121.00


Andy I wanted to get over to Mason Dixon for some of the MSRA races but it seems like even in their slowest class them guys are running low 10s, hi 9s and most of them are N/A.
I will have to see what I can work and possibly make it over for a Saturday. ;)

[ANDY CAROLA P/S5125]

Thats cool just let me know on a friday if you want to come up . I will work with your reaction times and 60 foot. that car has been as low 1.45 and know higher then 1.55 1/8 mile for the car best 6.99 to 7.00. Are you on the two step? IT WILL TAKE SEAT TIME. But you will get it. Also when you shift keep your foot to the floor and grab gears.. I would leave at 5200 and shift at 7000 Andy :cool:

[PBMracing]

I would leave at 5200 and shift at 7000 Andy :cool:

I thought you guys were talking about a P/s car. 5200/7000 sounds more like a f/s car to me!

Hehehe,
Chris

[ANDY CAROLA P/S5125]

Sounds like a factory stock but this is a 4 year old p/s engine that was in perkys car. Never had it on a dyno so really do not know how high it will pull. And for leaving at 5500 car has a spec stage 3 clutch so it wants to blow the rear tires off. But to run 6.99 in the 1/8 with a mild tune is not that bad.:eek: andy

[BigEd]

Went 118 @ 14.?? last night. Could not get the car to do a decent burn out and rolled over 1st and 2nd, pulled 3rd and she was gone on the top end.

[zenboy99]

So how much would it cost to build up a competitive Modular engine for Pure Street, and who's building them?

[Teddy]

MD Performance, The Tymensky's, Al Papitto etc......I believe they all frequent this board and will soon chime in!

[ISSUES]

So how much would it cost to build up a competitive Modular engine for Pure Street, and who's building them?

ask brandon. i guess in the ballpark of $25k

[Brandon Alsept]

You will have about the same as a pushrod car. Just make sure you pick the right cam combo fast LOL since you have to buy 4 of them.

[ISSUES]

You will have about the same as a pushrod car. Just make sure you pick the right cam combo fast LOL since you have to buy 4 of them.

if i buy 2 more cams, can i call my pushrod motor a 4V too? :p

[Brandon Alsept]

maybe hard to shove all 4 cams down the center of the block LOL

[vrtical]

The additional cost with pushrod vs 4v is the cams / valves / head machine work, but I think they are not that far apart unless you get into custom 4v valvetrain components. We use stock OEM cranks that can be knifed/balanced and I have seen $2-3k custom pushrod cranks, but we have a $3500 intake soo thats the big $$$ cost for 4v. We run stock rockers soo that washes out some of the cost differences in valvetrain, but have 4 cams @ $1200 a set along with 32 springs/retainers @$800. Pistons/Rings/Pins/Rods/Bearings etc can be spent the same on both IMO.

[GTGirl74]

:eek: My head is spinning LOL

[ET/MPH]

So how much money do you need to have a competitive motor in pure street?
Pushrod motor = $___________
Modular motor = $___________

[Teddy]

So how much money do you need to have a competitive motor in pure street?
Pushrod motor = $___________
Modular motor = $___________
As you've already read opinions will vary!

[vrtical]

If I had to start over I would not do it from the ground up. Takes way too damn long and costs a fortune. Andy Carroll sold his entire PS for around 8-10k I believe and Darrin H. has a engine up for around 6k. Now it wouldn't be at the top, but it sure would get you going in the right direction right out of the box.

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

So how much money do you need to have a competitive motor in pure street?
Pushrod motor = $___________
Modular motor = $___________


Denny...I spoke with someone about this very same issue yesterday,and he said it's almost the same in cost.But,I just don't like the mod motor
stuff and i'm not big on EFI either.

[BigEd]

If I had to start over I would not do it from the ground up. Takes way too damn long and costs a fortune. Andy Carroll sold his entire PS for around 8-10k I believe and Darrin H. has a engine up for around 6k. Now it wouldn't be at the top, but it sure would get you going in the right direction right out of the box.


Doug is close.
I had a car I tried to build for almost five years until I bought Andys car. At first it was money (lack of) and later on it turned into not having enough time to work on the car or finding a someone to trust to put the chassis together for me that I did not have to drive half way across the country for. After it sat for so long I lost all the enthusiasm to even go out and look at the car, let alone work on it and the bad part about it is I had everything to make it a running car. I ended up selling the car rolling with all the spare parts I had to help fund the purchase after I bought Andys car.
If had to think about it and do it over again. I would buy a car finished like I did with Andys car. It is a lot less stressful and more fun in the end.

[Kenn1320]

$25k+ just for the engine, I cant believe it. I read the article and just about fainted. How do you guys aford to have that kind of cash in a car that is dedicated to that one class? Heck how do you afford to have a race only car that cost that much?

Read Gene works part time at UPS. Gene how do you afford a top of the class car working part time?

I did read Jamie Holtens Mom lent him money to buy Robins old combo, but I cant believe the rest of you are still living at home with your parents paying your bills...

Back in 2000 I had $1200 in my shortblock and another $1200 in my heads. The carb was close to $500 and the intake was around $150. The car ran 11.80@115 with a 1.56 on 26x8" slicks. I could and did drive it on the street regularly. I went to races and didnt even qualify. I thought I was doing things wrong and got very frustrated. Every shop had a different idea, and they all wanted to spend my money. I gave up the chase when the number one qualifier told me he had $5800 in his shortblock alone. Now you guys are talking $30k and I dont have that in my whole race car, daily driver, wifes daily driver combined.

Im sure the FS guys are spending a ton as well. Sure would be nice if the NMRA came up with a "Real Entry Level Class". Id like to see a claimer class, and not just one that only the top 3 guys can claim. I know they keep trying to add rules to slow the cars down, but rules only add cost to the racers.

Id like to hear as stated above, what do you guys do for a living???

Ken

[Teddy]

I'm a Shop Foreman at a Lincoln Mercury dealer. I do not, repeat do not have 20k in my engine top to bottom and it just recently went 6.55 inthe 1/8
which is 10.20's in the 1/4. So I guess I must be doing something wrong:rolleyes: Yes it isn't a budget 5k engine and it is close to 20k when you factor in EVERYTHING!

[90GT398]

Wow 30k for a PS engine, so what does a Hot Street engine go for? Then again I know someone very well that spent 13k on a 11.1 stroked Windsor, so i guess it is not that far out of the realm of thinking of a dedicated race engine.

[Brandon Alsept]

I'm a Shop Foreman at a Lincoln Mercury dealer. I do not, repeat do not have 20k in my engine top to bottom and it just recently went 6.55 inthe 1/8
which is 10.20's in the 1/4. So I guess I must be doing something wrong:rolleyes: Yes it isn't a budget 5k engine and it is close to 20k when you factor in EVERYTHING!


Yeah for most people they will need some help along the line. Being that I own and work at a performance shop, I get alot of breaks. Plus the help of great sponsers. If I had to really guess I would say I have around $15K in my engine, and that is adding in a $2500 intake manifold LOL.

[ISSUES]

Read Gene works part time at UPS. Gene how do you afford a top of the class car working part time?




but if you read the whole article, thats not his only source of income. he also rebuilds transmissions for some local place.


btw, he sells ALOT of parts too.

[ISSUES]

If I had to really guess I would say I have around $15K in my engine, and that is adding in a $2500 intake manifold LOL.

you got that intake on a steal! i think that there are a few Mod racers that would cut off a few toes to get it that cheap.

right now i figure that by the time my motor is done , i'll have approx. $10k in mine and it wont be anywhere near as competitive as the rest of the field. but hey, im just starting.

[pro tech engines]

30k for a p/s engine..... BS you do not need to spend that much to run in the top five.... 15k tops will make as much power as anyone and then you gotta get it to run the et...... hell you can't even run exotic parts in this class why should it cost that much???? i guess some of these so called experts are just charging too much for their voo doo cam's they buy from bullet!!!!

[Ed Curtis]

30k for a p/s engine..... BS you do not need to spend that much to run in the top five.... 15k tops will make as much power as anyone and then you gotta get it to run the et...... hell you can't even run exotic parts in this class why should it cost that much???? i guess some of these so called experts are just charging too much for their voo doo cam's they buy from bullet!!!!

Ah... Moron Engine Service has arrived!

You idiots have been banned from Hardcore50.com for obvious reasons and now you want to try another site?

Tell us all, how many P/S engines have you built?

How many P/S class wins do you have?

How many P/S records have your engines set?

ZERO!

Guess you need to get back to your outhouse and pick out your best work...

Ed

[Brandon Alsept]

you got that intake on a steal! i think that there are a few Mod racers that would cut off a few toes to get it that cheap.

right now i figure that by the time my motor is done , i'll have approx. $10k in mine and it wont be anywhere near as competitive as the rest of the field. but hey, im just starting.


LOL well that was one of those deals to. I got mine before the price increase also;)

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

I work for the City of chicago(water Dept) I have no money...But i got help along the way this year.

[Damn Yankee]

i guess some of these so called experts are just charging too much for their voo doo cam's they buy from bullet!!!!


I guess the real question here is, how many heads up racers do YOU have running your own personally designed camshafts

[mean5.0]

my stang is a sleeper it run 6.78 last night i dont have but about 10k in mine

[mean5.0]

i call it a sleeper because i drive it around like a d/d and drive it to the track wax some _ _ _ ! then smoke some in town on the way home

[ET/MPH]

I drive a towtruck for a living. It has taken me a long time to build my car.
It didn't happen overnight!

[90GT398]

my stang is a sleeper it run 6.78 last night i dont have but about 10k in mine

This is impressive, but if it ain't setup to NMRA Pure Street rules, then this need's to be clarified, meaning is your cam only .500 lift max, small exhaust no bigger than 2.5, light port work, if it's carb'd are you running a dual plane intake?

[BigEd]

Well yesterday at Cecil, I ran a new best with the car - 11.39 @ 120.38 ;)

[Ed Curtis]

Well yesterday at Cecil, I ran a new best with the car - 11.39 @ 120.38 ;)

How about some incrementals big boy???

Ed

[KenCook]

There ya go.
Getting better with practice.


Well yesterday at Cecil, I ran a new best with the car - 11.39 @ 120.38 ;)

[Gene Hindman]

I'm a Shop Foreman at a Lincoln Mercury dealer. I do not, repeat do not have 20k in my engine top to bottom and it just recently went 6.55 inthe 1/8 which is 10.20's in the 1/4. !
I went a 6.52 in the 1/8th and that equaled a 10.31 in competition at an NMRA event at 3120 lbs. But I was running FI and that is an extra cost over a carbed entry. No one said you were doing anything wrong, but testing has and does yield good numbers alot of times for alot of racers, but in competition is where it matters. Conditions in Maryland seem to always be good and those tracks in that area (sea level and high barometer), seem to yield fast times.
Ken, I didn't build my engine all at one time, it took me over a period of 2-3 years to get everything together. Winning races and being runner-up alot has helped me pay for what racing I did. I also manage my money very well. I don't live beyond my means. I had alot of help in buying all my parts too, so my actual cost wasn't 22K, but If I had to buy and pay for everything done to that engine then it would have. Not to mention getting the right parts the first time. I have tried over 20 camshafts in my engines, but I can only count the cost of one of them in the price of the engine.
Plus working part-time at UPS for 12 years has its perks. Not to mention I sell and build transmissions on the side here at my shop, along with selling Fiberglass Hoods and wings.
Someone could have purchased my complete car ready to race for just a little more than it would have costed to build the right engine, all the trial and error stuff had been completed.

[BigEd]

How about some incrementals big boy???

Ed

Well I scanned and resized the time slips but it keeps telling me they are to large to post. If I make them any smaller they become un readable/ blurry.
So I will put them on HC.

[90GT398]

Hey BigEd,

just type them out, no need to scan the timeslip.

[KenCook]

email them to me.
I'll host them.

[BigEd]

Alright for all of us that are blind, this is the biggest I could make it and get it to fit!
4th run of the day. I'll see what I can do to clean up the other ones and try to get them posted.
Ken thanks. I have a MustangMod and Photo Bucket account. It was here I was having a problem with the attachments. They need to be 320x640 and if I make them smaller they get real grainy looking.

[BigEd]

Mine is 5125 in the right lane!

[BigEd]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Teddy]

I went a 6.52 in the 1/8th and that equaled a 10.31 in competition at an NMRA event at 3120 lbs. But I was running FI and that is an extra cost over a carbed entry. No one said you were doing anything wrong, but testing has and does yield good numbers alot of times for alot of racers, but in competition is where it matters. Conditions in Maryland seem to always be good and those tracks in that area (sea level and high barometer), seem to yield fast times.
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Funny thing about it is I wasn't at MIR. I was at a whole in the ground run down 1/8th mile track called Sumerduck. A track that has always yielded slower times than the all mighty great MIR in Maryland. BTW: 78.9 degrees, 2715 corrected air, 29.4 Baro, 35% humidity. And yes a carb does back half better than the FI!:eek:

[Gene Hindman]

Funny thing about it is I wasn't at MIR. I was at a whole in the ground run down 1/8th mile track called Sumerduck. A track that has always yielded slower times than the all mighty great MIR in Maryland. BTW: 78.9 degrees, 2715 corrected air, 29.4 Baro, 35% humidity. And yes a carb does back half better than the FI!:eek:
Actual elevation would have had to be 700 feet for those numbers to calculate correctly. And that last statement sure isn't what you were hollering a few months ago.

[Teddy]

Actual elevation would have had to be 700 feet for those numbers to calculate correctly. And that last statement sure isn't what you were hollering a few months ago.
I've always know it back halfs better, but how does it compare in the front half I still don't know. And I havnt hollared anything, just soft spoken!;)

[Teddy]

And just for #'s sake, what was the air when you ran that .31 I thought it was pretty damn good in BG last year!?

[Gene Hindman]

And just for #'s sake, what was the air when you ran that .31 I thought it was pretty damn good in BG last year!?
Just for numbers sakes.... it's those comments that makes it "hollering". Sarcastic really, but we've already had that conversation before.
It was 2817 feet first round of eliminations Sunday morning at 10:51 a.m. when I went a 1.387/4.162/6.522/104.17/8.573/10.310/129.69. It was 1953 feet when I went the 1.388/4.161/6.508/104.90/8.542/10.263/130.82 on Friday at 12:09 p.m.
Hope that helps.

[KenCook]

Here is the good one Ed

A few F/S slips might look like that at MG :D

http://www.kenshell.com/images/biged.jpg

[Teddy]

Just for numbers sakes.... it's those comments that makes it "hollering". Sarcastic really, but we've already had that conversation before.
It was 2817 feet first round of eliminations Sunday morning at 10:51 a.m. when I went a 1.387/4.162/6.522/104.17/8.573/10.310/129.69. It was 1953 feet when I went the 1.388/4.161/6.508/104.90/8.542/10.263/130.82 on Friday at 12:09 p.m.
Hope that helps.
Gene, I'm not posting towards you anymore.......you take everything the wrong way every time!

[Gene Hindman]

Gene, I'm not posting towards you anymore.......you take everything the wrong way every time!
Sorry, it's just hard to NOT be on the defense with alot of the internet conversations.

[BigEd]

Here is the good one Ed

A few F/S slips might look like that at MG :D

http://www.kenshell.com/images/biged.jpg

Thanks Ken!
I know I have a lot of work to do. Like I think Andy said in an earlier post, the combo is Perky's old setup and is about 4 y/o with just refreshes. The car has never been tuned on either. I think there is more in the current combo. But for me to pick up a full second it would take tearing into the whole combo which would take me out a whole season and that is not what I bought the car for. I bought it to have fun and make some passes and some friends along the way if that happens.
I know right now as the car sits it is not legal with full 3" exhaust on it. I get compliments everytime out with the car and like the way it sounds, so I don't even know if I want to bother changing the exhaust to make two races.

[vrtical]

Hey Ed good job still going in the right direction ;) Its amazing what you can get done in the garage when you have 3 days off work.

[BigEd]

Guys I have not changed anything on the car since I have got it from Andy, except a plug change.
I have a new fuel system and front brakes to go onto the car. But have not done it yet. I want to spend the time driving/ racing not working on the car! :D
I think the car has more in it. Especially once I get the new fuel system in it and I can find someone to teach me about the PMS (how to tune). The car needs to get on a dyno for a baseline really bad. ;)

[ANDY CAROLA P/S5125]

Ed great job you are right car has a lot more in it. If i was you i would get a set of valve springs and put in it. Its time. Are you going to mg if so i will come up andy :)

[stangfireman]

Ed,
Can I take her for a spin if you ever go to Cecil? :D

[pro tech engines]

Ah... Moron Engine Service has arrived!

You idiots have been banned from Hardcore50.com for obvious reasons and now you want to try another site?

Tell us all, how many P/S engines have you built?

How many P/S class wins do you have?

How many P/S records have your engines set?

ZERO!

Guess you need to get back to your outhouse and pick out your best work...

Ed

how many p/s winnig engines have you built in the last 2 years napoleon? you are a moron who can't build shit.... i build n/a engines everyday that will and can outpower or outrun anything your saw'd off ass gets near.... wanna bet on it? i will reserve a neutral dyno and you show up with a nmra legal p/s engine and we will see who the moron is.... i got 1k that say's i will beat your best by 25hp and the average will be 40 better.... well i will be waiting..... oh stop selling those cnc's cam's from bullet as your own... your dumbass knows you do not gring your own cam's.... you are a joke always will be.... gotta go work on that renegade record holding engine... go build some slow ass ls1's since you can't build a respectable p/s engine...

[90GT398]

woooo-weeee,

business is about to pick up.

[Ed Curtis]

how many p/s winnig engines have you built in the last 2 years napoleon?

What's the matter redneck engineering? Couldn't answer the original questions I asked so you come up with some insignificate items of your own?

In case you haven't heard since your head is so far up your ass, I don't bother doing any race engines anymore. Nothing but cash flow killers. You and your loverboy can have as many of them as you want ... Now, since you two idiots have never built anything in P/S, your opinions are still as useless as your engines...

you are a moron who can't build shit.

Still avoiding the original question Dumb and Dumber Engine Service??

You guys must be so good that no one even sees your shit run! After all, unless it's got a cheating poweradder bolted to it, you guys aren't even close to being competitive...

i build n/a engines everyday that will and can outpower or outrun anything your saw'd off ass gets near.

Talk is cheap... just like your family...

Build something without a cheater poweradder and prove your outhouse mentality is even worth the bandwidth.

Wait... that's right... you idiots have never built anything for a naturally aspirated class so again, your trash talk is just that, garbage and nothing more.

wanna bet on it? i will reserve a neutral dyno and you show up with a nmra legal p/s engine and we will see who the moron is.

Don't talk... build something for the class for cying out loud. I used to play in that class and never once saw one piece of anything from you and your house partner. Guess you're too busy beating your chest about how much you think you know, without actually doing any of it.

By the way... No need to even buy a gasket to beat your junk. You've never done it, so there's nothing to compare it to!

i got 1k that say's i will beat your best by 25hp and the average will be 40 better.... well i will be waiting.

Keep waiting and keep your welfare check ... I wouldn't waste any time building a single part for the NMRA nor for the satisfaction of showing you two for the idiots you are. There's no money in it so it's not worth the effort. There's no money to be made with rules changes, Tech issues and racers who can't seen to find their checkbook. You guys can have it all to yourselves, especially if it makes you guys feel like a "big men" on the NMRA portajohn circus...

oh stop selling those cnc's cam's from bullet as your own... your dumbass knows you do not gring your own cam's.

If you even had half a clue of what is going on in the real world, it would probably be stuck up your boyfriend's ass. John and Tim just did one profile this year for me and it was for a "non-Pure Street" engine, so now you and your braindead engine company think they know something? Go back to your outhouse and find yourself a clue.

you are a joke always will be.

Comments coming from two of the biggest "jokes" in Mustang racing history sure makes it all so valid. No wonder why most sites ban you two dumbasses.

gotta go work on that renegade record holding engine.

If you say so... After all, just change a pulley or bitch to NMRA for more and you now know it all. Such a sad case for real Renegade racers out there...

go build some slow ass ls1's since you can't build a respectable p/s engine...

Still awaitung one of your gems to hit the P/S ciruit Dumb and Dumber Racing Engines. No way to use a cheater blower in that kind of class...

... I warned you Frank... Dumb and Dumber Racing Engines are a plague to your site. Hardcore50 found out and cleaned their clock. Time for you to do the same.

Ed

[DARRIN P/S 5006]

This is getting good.

[PAUL WILEY]

Don't hold back tell them how it is

What RENAGADE recard are you referring to, I though Advanced Air Flow had all of those. I could be wrong, would not be the first time.

[KenCook]

I'm pretty sure The "Evil Twin" had a FTI parts on it when they won the Championship.

[Teddy]

Don't hold back tell them how it is

What RENAGADE recard are you referring to, I though Advanced Air Flow had all of those. I could be wrong, would not be the first time.
I believe they do Mitchel's engine package

[pro tech engines]

What's the matter redneck engineering? Couldn't answer the original questions I asked so you come up with some insignificate items of your own?

In case you haven't heard since your head is so far up your ass, I don't bother doing any race engines anymore. Nothing but cash flow killers. You and your loverboy can have as many of them as you want ... Now, since you two idiots have never built anything in P/S, your opinions are still as useless as your engines...

Still avoiding the original question Dumb and Dumber Engine Service??

You guys must be so good that no one even sees your shit run! After all, unless it's got a cheating poweradder bolted to it, you guys aren't even close to being competitive...

Talk is cheap... just like your family...

Build something without a cheater poweradder and prove your outhouse mentality is even worth the bandwidth.

Wait... that's right... you idiots have never built anything for a naturally aspirated class so again, your trash talk is just that, garbage and nothing more.

Don't talk... build something for the class for cying out loud. I used to play in that class and never once saw one piece of anything from you and your house partner. Guess you're too busy beating your chest about how much you think you know, without actually doing any of it.

By the way... No need to even buy a gasket to beat your junk. You've never done it, so there's nothing to compare it to!


Keep waiting and keep your welfare check ... I wouldn't waste any time building a single part for the NMRA nor for the satisfaction of showing you two for the idiots you are. There's no money in it so it's not worth the effort. There's no money to be made with rules changes, Tech issues and racers who can't seen to find their checkbook. You guys can have it all to yourselves, especially if it makes you guys feel like a "big men" on the NMRA portajohn circus...

If you even had half a clue of what is going on in the real world, it would probably be stuck up your boyfriend's ass. John and Tim just did one profile this year for me and it was for a "non-Pure Street" engine, so now you and your braindead engine company think they know something? Go back to your outhouse and find yourself a clue.

Comments coming from two of the biggest "jokes" in Mustang racing history sure makes it all so valid. No wonder why most sites ban you two dumbasses.

If you say so... After all, just change a pulley or bitch to NMRA for more and you now know it all. Such a sad case for real Renegade racers out there...

Still awaitung one of your gems to hit the P/S ciruit Dumb and Dumber Racing Engines. No way to use a cheater blower in that kind of class...

... I warned you Frank... Dumb and Dumber Racing Engines are a plague to your site. Hardcore50 found out and cleaned their clock. Time for you to do the same.

Ed

blah blah blah napoleon..... we are doing greg van henkle's n/a engine that will run in the dr class in the ram's shootout.... you wanna build one to compete with it? you dodged my challenge... you scared? it does not have to be a p/s engine show up with any n/a engine you have built and you will get whipped..... we do not do alot of nmra or any class n/a engine's but i do alot of those cash killer's you talk about and anytime you want to get some of them step up midget..... oh yeah how much you selling those voo doo cam's of your's for? everyone should know he does not grind his own cam's he buy's them from bullet cam's and mark's them up by 50%.... what a joke step or shut up!!!

[Ed Curtis]

blah blah blah napoleon.


OK you buck-tooth inbred. Still having trouble seeing through the top of your cesspool? Or is your doublewide trailer being towed to the dump and you're homeless again??

we are doing greg van henkle's n/a engine that will run in the dr class in the ram's shootout.... you wanna build one to compete with it?

Hey... illiterate redneck... what part of "no longer building racing engines" have you missed? You morons want to play "hero" and claim you've build something special, but the facts show otherwise. NOTHING has EVER showed up out of your halfassed outhouse shop. Guess all you can do is TALK about things you can't comprehend.

you dodged my challenge... you scared?

Backtrack a second moron number one...

You two butt buddies still haven't told the Pure Street forum readers, which racer you did this magical Pure Street dominating engine for?

And before you call anyone on this site out, let's see what you douchebags have done. After all, you must have some proof, some record, some info about your great prowess with the class...

Remember braindead inbred number one, YOU brought it all up.... not me!

it does not have to be a p/s engine show up with any n/a engine you have built and you will get whipped.

Oh... now we all see the truth...

The twin idiots come into a Pure Street Forum and bring up how great they are in the class, but back down because they actually realized they can't build an engine in such a highly restricted class.

Face it... all you butt brothers can do is spout off about classes you can cheat in. We all now get your deal... all talk and no proof....

we do not do alot of nmra or any class n/a engine's but i do alot of those cash killer's you talk about and anytime you want to get some of them step up midget.

PROOF mental moron...

You are in an NMRA based site and more specifically, a Pure Street forum so... you two inbreds must step up with results or just fade away.

Where are the customers you guys claim you worked with in P/S?

Where are these record setting cars you've built in for P/S, the Forum you are posting in?

How many times can you butt plugs backtrack with off topic combinations that probably don't exist anyway?

Before you go back to your trailer park, how about showing everyone in here, all your accomplishments in Pure Street, the class this thread is about...

oh yeah how much you selling those voo doo cam's of your's for? everyone should know he does not grind his own cam's he buy's them from bullet cam's and mark's them up by 50%.... what a joke step or shut up!!!

Now there's the real proof you are a totally uniformed internet warrior...

You guys "make" your engine blocks? Your crankshafts? Guess you are nothing without your "store bought" packages that you steal from other crate engine shops and call your own.

Tell you what... I'll just have to make call and find out exactly where you get your info from. You obviously have had most of your functioning brain removed if you think you know anything about what I do. Guess I should have expected this from people who live in a fantasy world of "Redneck Engineering".

Ed

[90GT398]

I knew this would get good.

pist(sound of another soda cracking open)

carry on. :D

[Teddy]

Just popped a fresh bowl of popcorn:D :D :D

[Frank Peterson]

Ok...I know there may be some history causing this and that insults/challenges have been thrown around, but guess what...

http://stangcrazy.com/temp/giveadamnprogress.gif


So....clean it up or do it elsewhere, no other warnings.

[ET/MPH]

Oh no he didn't

[swilldup]

how many people have cam grinding machines in there shop?....answer-none....the last time i checked everyone bought there cams from someone else based on a profile that they designed....besides that i have a couple of ed's cams and they are comp cams...

[Gray86hatch]

Swill mine are Comps also

Guess what they came in Comp boxes also

I have had 5-6 of them in my hands all were Comps

go figure

Tim

[Teddy]

I know the cams that I had gotten from Ed in the past were comps. BTW....whats wrong with the Bullet grinds?? I've gotten more RPM out of them than any cam I've used!:rolleyes:

[BigEd]

Ed,
Can I take her for a spin if you ever go to Cecil? :D

Todd

I have been at the track the last three weeks in a row. Don't know if I will be there this weekend. But if you buy the fuel, we will see what we can work out! ;)

[PBMracing]

I'm pretty sure The "Evil Twin" had a FTI parts on it when they won the Championship.

I am pretty sure our H/s car had some Ed influence in it too when it won the championship. Oops, sorry... you guys were talking about P/s.

Chris

[90GT398]

Ok...I know there may be some history causing this and that insults/challenges have been thrown around, but guess what...

http://stangcrazy.com/temp/giveadamnprogress.gif


So....clean it up or do it elsewhere, no other warnings.

Frank,

you have got to send me the link to this :D

[stangfireman]

Todd

I have been at the track the last three weeks in a row. Don't know if I will be there this weekend. But if you buy the fuel, we will see what we can work out! ;)

Well that sucks. Had I known, I would have dropped down. I thought you would have gone to Mason for some reason. I was thinking you lived closer to that track.
At the moment, we are about 30 minutes from the track. But we will be moving in a couple weeks and it's a little further.
Just might have to splurge on some race fuel. :D

[BigEd]

Yeah when we bought our house last year, we moved right off the Md/ Pa line, 30 minutes from Cecil.
I spent $11/ gallon at the track for fuel. I don't wanna ever hear anyone bitch about the price of regular gas! :D
Come down anytime you want, bring the wife (to be).
Don't you still have your F/S car ???

[stangfireman]

Can I bitch about diesel? LOL
For some reason I thought you lived near Brian. Not sure why. LOL
I'd love a chance to drive a car again. LOL As for the FS'er, she's lost her heads. :) So she's not running. And I told Theresa that she isn't running again until we can build a good motor for her or someone buys her. (Where's Mr. Cosby LOL) Not that she's for sale, but if someone offers a price, she might go and we'll start over.
You ever go to Cecil on a weds. night? Our weekends right now are filled with house painting and getting ready for the move. Probably NMRA weekend. :(
Let me know and I'll meet you at Cecil and pick you up some fuel. :)

[BigEd]

I thought about Weds nights. It is hard right now for the next week and a half, till Eddie gets out of school. After that summer time is pretty much freed up any night except for base ball which ends in June.

[CarlosSobrino]

Very entertaining !!!!!!!
Ed, you charged me 50% over your cost??? Man, what a sucker you are ..lol
YOUR cam (regardless who ran the griding machine) was a bargain bro.
YOU ARE DA MAN !!!!!